Install engine to chopper
Install engine to chopper
Postby micargi » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:57 pm
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby europa » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:31 pm
Take engine, sell on eBay.Mahtassam wrote:Hey I've got a schwinn stingray chopper bike and a 50cc zbox engine. I need help installing it. Can anyone help me with it. Whats the best way. Thanks
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You can assume I've no idea how to fit the motor, no idea where where you'd go and only a poor understanding of why you'd inflict this upon yourself, but that's my predjudice and of no concern of yours. Best of luck with your project.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby twizzle » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:18 pm
Welcome back.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby micargi » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:11 pm
Thanks for the suggestion...do you know what type of metal the stingray frame is...europa wrote:Take engine, sell on eBay.Mahtassam wrote:Hey I've got a schwinn stingray chopper bike and a 50cc zbox engine. I need help installing it. Can anyone help me with it. Whats the best way. Thanks
Service Stingray, enjoy bicycle.
You can assume I've no idea how to fit the motor, no idea where where you'd go and only a poor understanding of why you'd inflict this upon yourself, but that's my predjudice and of no concern of yours. Best of luck with your project.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby John Lewis » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:09 pm
I don't think fitting the motor is too difficult but the other problem may be insurmountable.
I don't know where you are located but it is my understanding that internal combustion engines, such as you are talking about, are no longer legal in most states. This leaves you with nowhere to ride except on private property.
Hi europa. Good to see you back. Wondered where you had got to.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roinik » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:41 pm
BTW, bump up your insurance as these contraptions are a health hazard to either you (either directly or indirectly) or to the poor sap that you eventually run into.
Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Mahtassam » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:19 pm
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby il padrone » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:26 pm
Probably just mild steel, or maybe high-tensile steel. No way would I be relying on "welding" anything to do with a motor (even50cc) on to it to be survivable - for the bike and possibly not for yourself
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby il padrone » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:29 pm
Turbo-spokeMahtassam wrote:What's your recommendation. Thanks
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roinik » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:34 am
If it is mild steel then it will be as heavy as lead. Something that long is likely to be high tensile steel. Either way, go for the adaptor that bolts on and use locking nuts. If you find that the brakes aren't up to the extra power then consider some upgrading such as installing an 80 series Shimano roller brake on the front wheel. These are designed for cargo bikes so they should pull you up.il padrone wrote:Probably just mild steel, or maybe high-tensile steel. No way would I be relying on "welding" anything to do with a motor (even50cc) on to it to be survivable - for the bike and possibly not for yourself
Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby micargi » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:31 pm
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby jacks1071 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:34 pm
Connect the engine to the handlebars, seat and pedals. Not necessarily in that order.Mahtassam wrote:Hey I've got a schwinn stingray chopper bike and a 50cc zbox engine. I need help installing it. Can anyone help me with it. Whats the best way. Thanks
Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby micargi » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:43 pm
Hahahahahaahahahahahah thanks I'll try that!Connect the engine to the handlebars, seat and pedals. Not necessarily in that order.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby im_no_pro » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:30 am
I think I seen a ghosteuropa wrote:Take engine, sell on eBay.Mahtassam wrote:Hey I've got a schwinn stingray chopper bike and a 50cc zbox engine. I need help installing it. Can anyone help me with it. Whats the best way. Thanks
Service Stingray, enjoy bicycle.
You can assume I've no idea how to fit the motor, no idea where where you'd go and only a poor understanding of why you'd inflict this upon yourself, but that's my predjudice and of no concern of yours. Best of luck with your project.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roc_Doc » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:15 pm
John Lewis wrote:Mahtassam,
I don't think fitting the motor is too difficult but the other problem may be insurmountable.
I don't know where you are located but it is my understanding that internal combustion engines, such as you are talking about, are no longer legal in most states. This leaves you with nowhere to ride except on private property.
Hi europa. Good to see you back. Wondered where you had got to.
John
John I think it might be worth checking your facts, or doing a little research at least. Your statement that IC powered bicycles are illegal in 'Most states' is just plain wrong. They are perfectly legal in all states except QLD, provided they have a restrictor fitted and can be proven to be less than 200Watts in Power. Two of the main Suppliers, ZBox and Rock Solid, Sell restricted motors that have been Dyno tested. It is a shame that both suppliers, as well as plenty of other cowboy outfits out there sell Engines well in excess of 200W, but the fact remains that with the right testing and paperwork, you are perfectly within your right to rid an IC assisted bicycle.
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http://shop.rocksolidengines.com.au/ind ... t&Itemid=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://zbox.com.au/200watt%20bicycle%20engine.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Dan » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:29 pm
This advice is equally valid when looking at the context of the original post. I'm not convinced the OP considered the general reluctance of members of a bicycle forum to provide information which might assist in the construction of a frankenbike abomination such as this.Roc_Doc wrote:...I think it might be worth checking your facts, or doing a little research at least....
My advice? Try a motorcycle forum and see how its received there... o__O
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europa wrote:Take engine, sell on eBay.Mahtassam wrote:Hey I've got a schwinn stingray chopper bike and a 50cc zbox engine. I need help installing it. Can anyone help me with it. Whats the best way. Thanks
Service Stingray, enjoy bicycle.
You can assume I've no idea how to fit the motor, no idea where where you'd go and only a poor understanding of why you'd inflict this upon yourself, but that's my predjudice and of no concern of yours. Best of luck with your project.
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il padrone wrote:Turbo-spokeMahtassam wrote:What's your recommendation. Thanks
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roc_Doc » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:35 pm
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby trailgumby » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:57 pm
The advise to connect self to bars, saddle and pedals and fuel with carbs is by far the most sensible. Burn fat, not oil
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Dan » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:54 pm
Roc_Doc - you're not affiliated with rock solid engines by any chance?
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roc_Doc » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:15 pm
Dan wrote:+1 gumby.
Roc_Doc - you're not affiliated with rock solid engines by any chance?
No Sir, No affiliation at all. Otherwise why would I be mentioning their opposition, ZBox?
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roc_Doc » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:35 pm
trailgumby wrote:Not sure why we'd want to help though. The fumes from those badly tuned two-strokes makes me want to gag. It's hard enough mowing the lawns, riding behind one of those things while sucking in lungfuls of air is just a step too far. Urrgh!
The advise to connect self to bars, saddle and pedals and fuel with carbs is by far the most sensible. Burn fat, not oil
You have hit the nail on the head with the badly tuned two strokes. Now I am a committed lifelong cyclist, and ride whenever I can, I just have no objection to power assistance as long as it is done expertly (i.e. tune your two stroke and use a proper fuel mix!) and legally (dyno tested under 200 watts, and for the love of god, PEDAL!).
The Retailers of IC motors for bicycles are their own worst enemy, and all but encourage the hoon element by selling engines that are too far over the power limit, and a few of the folks on the Motored bicycle forums don't help themselves either. The bottom line for me is that I love cycling, and in 30 years of riding I still do not enjoy going up steep hills and into stiff headwinds. I have tried to enjoy it but the moral victory of tiring myself out and burning a few extra calories is overweighed by the desire for a little help please.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby John Lewis » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:20 am
I will go do some checking.
I was told that by local police. I also notice that several motorised bikes that were around here are no longer on the road.
One of them was a motorised trike that a one legged guy rode. He used to only start the motor on hills. Last I saw him he had no motor and told me he had been ordered to remove it.
So yes I will most definitely go check further.
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby Roc_Doc » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:41 pm
John Lewis wrote:Hi Roc_ Doc,
I will go do some checking.
I was told that by local police. I also notice that several motorised bikes that were around here are no longer on the road.
One of them was a motorised trike that a one legged guy rode. He used to only start the motor on hills. Last I saw him he had no motor and told me he had been ordered to remove it.
So yes I will most definitely go check further.
John
The frustrating bit is that the sellers of IC motors cannot supply a small enough motor to do 200 W without restriction (Throttle locks are no good, the NSW regulations states that the restrictor must not be easily removed, hence a restrictor should is fitted to the carby) . Most of the motors in coming out of the box from china have been closer to 1.2KW, and the suppliers (or two of them at least) have only recently started obeying the spirit of the law by providing limited and tested motors. They (the suppliers) were relying on slackness in law enforcement and have made everyone with an IC assisted Bicycle look like a law breaking hoon.
I'd say that most of the motors that have been sold prior to 18 months ago were not been restricted, (Sadly most today are probably not) which Is why I am making my little song and dance about restricted motors. The irony is that when I go on An MB forum many of the contributors are not interested in pedalling, (or pedalling much), and everyone here hates the sight of the things. What did George Orwell say about being a minority of one?
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Re: Install engine to chopper
Postby John Lewis » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:32 pm
A friend told me he saw a couple of German touring cyclists on an ICE assisted tandem the other day. Got me to thinking that that would be much better than electric if you need it in a tour situation. Far greater range and no waiting for or finding somewhere to charge. They definitely have a place.
Some years back we had a Great Ride here run by Bike Vic. I recall one rider had an ICE assist but I never saw it in use as I was a vollie on that one.
My latest silly thought is how would an e assist bike go with a small trailer towing one of those power generator units. One way to maybe keep the battery charged. I don't think a solar cell would be adequate.
Lots of ideas to explore and perhaps test.
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