The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby hannos » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:28 am

ZepinAtor wrote:I have no idea what the acronym for Salmon is :? Or is that what Salmon is the acronym for :?



A Salmon is a person riding or walking (or even driving!!!) the wrong way, ie against the flow of traffic, just as Salmon do when they go upstream to spawn.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ZepinAtor » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:01 am

hannos wrote:
ZepinAtor wrote:I have no idea what the acronym for Salmon is :? Or is that what Salmon is the acronym for :?



A Salmon is a person riding or walking (or even driving!!!) the wrong way, ie against the flow of traffic, just as Salmon do when they go upstream to spawn.


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby malnar » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:13 pm

g-boaf wrote:
il padrone wrote:
malnar wrote:Later, I was walking on Princes bridge in the city. It has pedestrian and cyclist sections which are separated by a white line. I was on the pedestrian section & I heard a cyclist coming from behind dinging repeatedly. There was a pedestrian walking in the opposite direction on the cyclist's section.

SMIDGAF :roll:

malnar wrote:The cyclist was dinging and pointing very demandingly. The cyclist slowed down and basically insisted that the pedestrian move across. Thought it was a very harsh way to try to 'educate' someone. There was very little traffic about at the time so there was no actual danger of collision.

I looked at the pedestrian's expression and she didn't seem too fussed (she had headphones on).

Personally I think if more people did just this we might start to get people educated into how the roads and footpaths are meant to work (spelt out in the road rules and all), and then there might be more safety and value in cycle lanes and paths that would encourage people to cycle more.


That's the way it should be done - and what I do as well now. Otherwise they won't learn. Keep left unless overtaking or turning and if you are going to turn or move, look before you do and don't do it suddenly.

The problem is that some cyclists HERE actually defend pedestrians rights to be unpredictable.


Educating pedestrians one at a time by behaving like a traffic cop having a bad day & dealing with those who don't take kindly to it is not worth it to me. Each to their own.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby malnar » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:22 pm

il padrone wrote:
zero wrote:
g-boaf wrote:
The problem is that some cyclists HERE actually defend pedestrians rights to be unpredictable.


The only dangerous thing is the cyclists momentum, and only the cyclist has access to the bicycles brake lever to control the momentum, and as cyclists are typically faster than pedestrians, virtually all the interactions between pedestrians and cyclists involve a pedestrian that was in plain view of the cyclist, the cyclist is the person in prime position to make the interactions safe.

Perhaps you don't understand the situation on Princes Bridge. It is a signed bikes-only path, on a divided footpath. In theory the continuation of the busiest bicycle route in Melbourne :idea:
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The dangerous action was the person willfully walking in the bike path :roll: It happens all the time :x Most cyclists wind up resorting to squeezing through on the road - hence placed at greater hazard because of rude ignorant pedestrians.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the cyclist only section on the 'footpath' predates the bicycle lane on the road. I reckon that a lot of people perceive the cyclist only section of the 'footpath' to be redundant. I'm sure a fair proportion of pedestrians wonder why both cycling options exist.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:37 pm

il padrone wrote:Personally I think if more people did just this we might start to get people educated into how the roads and footpaths are meant to work (spelt out in the road rules and all), and then there might be more safety and value in cycle lanes and paths that would encourage people to cycle more.


Hmmmm.... I'm not sure I agree completely with you here. Most of us knows how it feels like to have motorists honk or close shave us in order to "educate" cyclists. This comes down to poor infrastructure and poor understanding from non-cyclists towards cyclists.

It would be MUCH better to see the pedestrian area widened across the bridge and the bike path/lane joined into a proper grade separated path. But that would make too much sense.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:47 pm

malnar wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the cyclist only section on the 'footpath' predates the bicycle lane on the road. I reckon that a lot of people perceive the cyclist only section of the 'footpath' to be redundant. I'm sure a fair proportion of pedestrians wonder why both cycling options exist.

The road authorities have chosen for their own reasons not to take road space away from vehicles and hence the "bike lane" on the road just is a huge joke! It is barely 30cm of usable road surface (15cms of bluestone cobbles in the kerb).

If I could I would claim the lane through there, but it is so log-jammed with cars that a sensible route would be to ride on the 'bike-only' path. Errant pedestrians make this intolerable and unsafe. What is required here is a much clearer bike path that is lined, painted, even with a raised bumper to keep pedestrians off it. Some genuine enforcement would be good as well. All this would help everyone clearly see where to walk.

Either that or close the bridge completely to all traffic except trams, bike and pedestrians and make it a shared space.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby DavidS » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:27 pm

il padrone wrote:
malnar wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the cyclist only section on the 'footpath' predates the bicycle lane on the road. I reckon that a lot of people perceive the cyclist only section of the 'footpath' to be redundant. I'm sure a fair proportion of pedestrians wonder why both cycling options exist.

The road authorities have chosen for their own reasons not to take road space away from vehicles and hence the "bike lane" on the road just is a huge joke! It is barely 30cm of usable road surface (15cms of bluestone cobbles in the kerb).

If I could I would claim the lane through there, but it is so log-jammed with cars that a sensible route would be to ride on the 'bike-only' path. Errant pedestrians make this intolerable and unsafe. What is required here is a much clearer bike path that is lined, painted, even with a raised bumper to keep pedestrians off it. Some genuine enforcement would be good as well. All this would help everyone clearly see where to walk.

Either that or close the bridge completely to all traffic except trams, bike and pedestrians and make it a shared space.


Yep, I ride across that bridge most days. I choose the very narrow lane on the road, but it isn't like they couldn't widen the bike lane and separate it from the pedestrians and cars with some grade separation. But closing the bridge to all but trams, bikes and peds would be the best option. Ain't gonna happen though.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:36 pm

Twenty... even ten years ago people said that about Swanston Street, and now look :idea:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:59 pm

On road bike lane on PB all the time. Less stressful.
The doorzone is pretty narrow and I like the idea of painting the full width of the bikelane. I just wish they'd used green like the rest of them instead of white
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jaseyjase » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:07 pm

Fitzgerald St North Perth, just near the Coles.

I was heading north bound, mum and 7yr old kid crosses the road, not at the lights about 15m up, before it. Standing on island, they see the cars have stopped due to a right turning car in the right lane, im in the left lane.

Mum and kid start walking from the middle island to cross the road, i saw them step off the island with a good 20-30m before id get to them, the mum didnt even bother looking at the road once she started crossing :shock:

I could either continue at my speed and probably narrowly miss them scaring the crap out of them, but instead decided to lock up the brakes just before reaching them making it obvious how stupid she was.

a little 'oopsie' was all she could manage, had she not been with a young kid i think i wouldve let go with a bunch of profanities.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Kev365428 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:06 am

Had a scary view of a ped almost getting cleaned up by a bus yesterday.

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The white box represents a bus travelling down a dedicated bus parking bay for the station. This is quite narrow, and the bus has only a metre to spare each side.
The blue circle is a young lady, about 20 y.o. walking in the same direction as the bus on the small median strip that seperates the bus parking bay from the traffic lane.
I'm walking towards the girl and the bus on the same narrow median strip.

As the girl approaches the sign post near the break in the median strip, she steps off the median to her left, with no head check, right in front of the bus. I could see the bus drivers eyes widen from 20-30 metres away. I sort of half yelled "Oi!", and the bus driver slammed on the anchors and hit the horn. I could see the front of the bus dip from the weight transfer, but this stupid girl didn't even break stride, or turn her head to look at the bus. Once she passed the sign post she stepped back onto the median. The total lack of concern on her face was amazing.
As I passed her I said, "You're one very lucky girl". Her reaction? Well, there was none. Stoney faced, she just kept on walking.

Kinda makes you wonder.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby AndrewBurns » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:34 am

Kev365428 wrote:Had a scary view of a ped almost getting cleaned up by a bus yesterday.

The white box represents a bus travelling down a dedicated bus parking bay for the station. This is quite narrow, and the bus has only a metre to spare each side.
The blue circle is a young lady, about 20 y.o. walking in the same direction as the bus on the small median strip that seperates the bus parking bay from the traffic lane.
I'm walking towards the girl and the bus on the same narrow median strip.

As the girl approaches the sign post near the break in the median strip, she steps off the median to her left, with no head check, right in front of the bus. I could see the bus drivers eyes widen from 20-30 metres away. I sort of half yelled "Oi!", and the bus driver slammed on the anchors and hit the horn. I could see the front of the bus dip from the weight transfer, but this stupid girl didn't even break stride, or turn her head to look at the bus. Once she passed the sign post she stepped back onto the median. The total lack of concern on her face was amazing.
As I passed her I said, "You're one very lucky girl". Her reaction? Well, there was none. Stoney faced, she just kept on walking.

Kinda makes you wonder.

Kev.


Survival of the fittest no longer, now days people have no situational awareness or caution when moving around even in dangerous circumstances. If you learn something rock climbing and alpining it's to be aware of what's around you and how to move through the environment safely, no doubt she'd be down a crevasse by now if she ever left the city.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:22 am

Are you sure she wasn't legitimately deaf? Such a lack of reaction from a horn or you or anything just screams deaf to me. Extremely stupid too.
Poor bus driver (and you for seeing that).
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Kev365428 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:37 am

Obviously I have no way of determining if she was/is deaf, but it makes no difference if she is deaf - she should even be more aware of her surroundings, not less.

Profoundly deaf? Unknown.
Profoundly stupid? Confirmed.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby herzog » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:43 am

Or substance affected perhaps.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:44 am

Kev365428 wrote:As I passed her I said, "You're one very lucky girl". Her reaction? Well, there was none. Stoney faced, she just kept on walking.

Kinda makes you wonder.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Kev365428 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:51 am

Nah, I don't think so. Didn't have that glazed look in the eyes, or the general lack of self esteem common to most druggies.
Looked like she was on her way to work.

I reckon she just had the "I don't give a flying **** " attitude typical amongst so many people now days.

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:10 am

Dumb cyclist AND smart clairovoyant drivers, this...

Yesterday morning I was returnig by car from south of Mandurah to Perth along the Mandurah Road. I was held by the red light in the middle lane at the major intersection with Pinjarra Road. That is one of two lanes that go straight ahead. There was a 4wd in the left lane that also is for traffic going ahead. Cars to the right of me were turning right onto Pinjarra Road on the green right-turn light.

I had noticed 3 kids on the island to my right that were waiting to cross the road in front of me. They were perched low on small wheeled BMXs with the seats set ultra low as many kids do. On a hunch I kept an eye on them in case they crossed in front of me when the right turn stopped the right-turning traffic. A perfect storm brewing.

Sure enough, as soon as I got the green one of the kids darted across in front. He would probably not have cleared me if I had not deliberately paused. I think the kid seemed to realise by the time he got in front of me that he had been stupid, but was already committed and so continued the dash. Certainly his mates were surprised.

The amazing thing, and all that saved that kid from being cleaned up, was that the 4wd also held up for a moment or two. If that driver had, instead, been focussed on, say, some kids on the far side with a dog on a leash with his little sister with him waiting also to cross, he would NOT have been prepared for the idiot kid. There would have been a tragedy. Or if he was in a Camry and unable to catch a glimpse over the high bonnet of my RV .

I would be giving that guy a gold star for his attention. Ditto myself. There is no guarantee that next time I or others will be as focused on him. One lucky family on the day.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:01 pm

The dumb cyclist on the road-bike who overtook me around midday without giving me any warning he was there. Stupid! :x Okay, made your overtake - good on you. But I could just as easily have gone straight back past you and left you behind. Hope whoever he was, he runs over glass and gets a puncture. Which was the reason I was going so slowly - getting through an area notorious for broken glass. :roll: At 15km/h, you've got a chance of weaving around it. At 40km/h, no chance.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby human909 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:34 am

g-boaf wrote:The dumb cyclist on the road-bike who overtook me around midday without giving me any warning he was there. Stupid! :x Okay, made your overtake - good on you. But I could just as easily have gone straight back past you and left you behind. Hope whoever he was, he runs over glass and gets a puncture. Which was the reason I was going so slowly - getting through an area notorious for broken glass. :roll: At 15km/h, you've got a chance of weaving around it. At 40km/h, no chance.


So somebody is dumb for overtaking? Since when do you need to warn another you are overtaking? Sure I've occasionally done that, but it is hardly normal overtaking proceedure. :?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Kev365428 wrote:Had a scary view of a ped almost getting cleaned up by a bus yesterday.

Image

The white box represents a bus travelling down a dedicated bus parking bay for the station. This is quite narrow, and the bus has only a metre to spare each side.
The blue circle is a young lady, about 20 y.o. walking in the same direction as the bus on the small median strip that seperates the bus parking bay from the traffic lane.
I'm walking towards the girl and the bus on the same narrow median strip.

As the girl approaches the sign post near the break in the median strip, she steps off the median to her left, with no head check, right in front of the bus. I could see the bus drivers eyes widen from 20-30 metres away. I sort of half yelled "Oi!", and the bus driver slammed on the anchors and hit the horn. I could see the front of the bus dip from the weight transfer, but this stupid girl didn't even break stride, or turn her head to look at the bus. Once she passed the sign post she stepped back onto the median. The total lack of concern on her face was amazing.
As I passed her I said, "You're one very lucky girl". Her reaction? Well, there was none. Stoney faced, she just kept on walking.

Kinda makes you wonder.

Kev.

Brain dead? Just trying to make the rest of the body follow suit.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:47 am

me this morning on the way to work
going up the "ssss'es" just before moggil rd, was riding on the right of a fellow commuter. wasn't looking up. didn't see the cyclist coming from moggil rd direction.
I apologised and will say it again here - sorry!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Ross » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:28 am

While I was being an obediant cyclist this morning stopped waiting at the red light I saw a woman cross against the red pedestrian light. Then a car started coming and she saw it and started to waddle faster but the car was a bit cheeky and passed close to her (pretty sure he saw her and was just giving her the message that she is supposed to wait until light is green to cross). The driver of the car was an off-duty cop!
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby twizzle » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:21 pm

human909 wrote:
g-boaf wrote:The dumb cyclist on the road-bike who overtook me around midday without giving me any warning he was there. Stupid! :x Okay, made your overtake - good on you. But I could just as easily have gone straight back past you and left you behind. Hope whoever he was, he runs over glass and gets a puncture. Which was the reason I was going so slowly - getting through an area notorious for broken glass. :roll: At 15km/h, you've got a chance of weaving around it. At 40km/h, no chance.


So somebody is dumb for overtaking? Since when do you need to warn another you are overtaking? Sure I've occasionally done that, but it is hardly normal overtaking proceedure. :?


Unless you are in a different lane, it's called "common courtesy".


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby bychosis » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:14 pm

General milling of 7 humans (not pedestrians, not going anywhere) over the shared path this arvo, they had already had at least 2 bikes pass them by getting off onto the grass. I tried to make a point by coasting in (noisy freewheel) then locking up when close. "Please dont' stop on the path". One or two took half a step so I could get through, but didn't get off the path, nor even attempt to.

Naughty me didn't have a bell as I was on the proper off road MTB attempting to get some bush trails in on the way home. Otherwise I might have just about worn out the bell.
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