Winter & Rain jackets
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Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:08 am
So far I'm looking at these 2
http://www.this link is broken/sportful-fiandr ... cket-2012/
http://www.probikekit.com/au/castelli-g ... ersey.html
Also another plus would be something that covers the lower back as I no longer want a "soggy ass" when riding in the rain -_- my budget can only stretch to $220
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby RonK » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:40 am
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:53 am
let me clarify a bit, I'm after a rain jacket that isn't just a "soft shell" as I'd like to be warmer then your normal soft shell offering (which I already have anyway)
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:18 pm
If it's a womens jacket you're after then Showerspass have the Elite 2.0 womens on special at $150 plus shipping. My wife's cost me $A195 just 10 days ago.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby RonK » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:38 pm
Sorry, I assumed you wanted recommendations for the best rain jacket. I would not consider either of the items you have posted to be rain jackets. Shower resistant perhaps.jamesn184 wrote:Yes, I saw that topic but none of the jackets I'm looking at were discussed
let me clarify a bit, I'm after a rain jacket that isn't just a "soft shell" as I'd like to be warmer then your normal soft shell offering (which I already have anyway)
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:09 pm
The Sportful jacket is waterproof by the looks of it, the gabba does eventually let some water in after a while?RonK wrote:Sorry, I assumed you wanted recommendations for the best rain jacket. I would not consider either of the items you have posted to be rain jackets. Shower resistant perhaps.jamesn184 wrote:Yes, I saw that topic but none of the jackets I'm looking at were discussed
let me clarify a bit, I'm after a rain jacket that isn't just a "soft shell" as I'd like to be warmer then your normal soft shell offering (which I already have anyway)
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:04 pm
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/s ... -in-32617/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;BikeRadar wrote:A harder wearing cycling jacket than the BodyFit Pro, the Fiandre is again ideal for cold, dry conditions but has a NoRain fabric on the back where it’s needed most. Windstopper 4-Way Warm and 4-Way Light fabrics should keep you warm without neglecting breathability
http://www.sportful.it/blog/?p=1304" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Sportful wrote:Two GORE WINDSTOPER fabrics are used on the frontal panels of the jacket, a combination of 4 WAY WARM and 4 WAY LIGHT. The two fabrics, different in weight / warmth are strategically positioned to ensure the right balance between warmth and overheating.
Hmm..... sounds warm, will even keep the wind out. Waterproof? I would not rely on it Gore Windstopper is what it says ie. not waterproof.
It'd be nice to see some real water-head pressure data to be able to compare. I have seen this for the eVent fabric used in the Elite 2.0 and it is very impressive.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby Purt » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:26 pm
I've been looking at the gabba too can't find a lot of reviews on it though. Kinda want something that isn't loose and doesn't flap about.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:31 pm
http://www.this link is broken/castelli-confro ... of-jacket/
http://www.this link is broken/sportful-surviv ... er-jacket/ - would be a little bit of a stretch budget wise
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:37 pm
Its been mentioned that with the last couple of spring classics even the guys who weren't sponsored by castelli were wearing the gabbaPurt wrote:Ok finally worked out how to attach youtube.
I've been looking at the gabba too can't find a lot of reviews on it though. Kinda want something that isn't loose and doesn't flap about.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby Purt » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:47 pm
Yeah I saw opqs and a few sky riders with it at milan-san remo. Guess that's the best review a clothing company could want.jamesn184 wrote: Its been mentioned that with the last couple of spring classics even the guys who weren't sponsored by castelli were wearing the gabba
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:48 pm
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:57 pm
OK it's breathable. And stops some water. The eVent farbric is similarly breathable (there are measures that can be done for this).Purt wrote:Ok finally worked out how to attach youtube.
I've been looking at the gabba too can't find a lot of reviews on it though. Kinda want something that isn't loose and doesn't flap about.
But the water protecton...... it's more than just stopping 80mm of water-head (that's about all they showed).... for a few minutes. Standard quality rain jackets have a water-head of about 5,000-8,000mm. Really good waterproof fabrics are about 10,000mm of water-head. eVent has a water-head of 30,000mm - that's a glass of water 30m high over the fabric - for 24hrs (I think they get this measure by pressurising the 'glass'). So how does that Gabba rate??
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/expert-advi ... rproofing-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Water Column Test /Hydrostatic Head Test
This is a test in which a tube of water 1" in diameter is filled with water.
The fabric is held taut underneath this (sealed) column of water.
This is then tested over 24 hours to see how many millimeters of water the fabric can withstand before leaking.
When the fabric begins to seep water, the mm is noted as a score, and this is known as the ‘hydrostatic head’ which literally means:
Hydro –Water
Static – Not moving
Head – Height
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby Purt » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:04 pm
I think of the gabba more of a jersey than a jacket. So obviously it's not going to be as good as a jacket at keeping water out. You've got to make some sacrifices when getting a skin tight fitting jersey instead of a full fledged winter/rain ill fitting jacket.il padrone wrote:But the water protecton...... it's more than just stopping 80mm of water-head (that's about all they showed).... for a few minutes. Standard quality rain jackets have a water-head of about 5,000-8,000mm. Really good waterproof fabrics are about 10,000mm of water-head. eVent has a water-head of 30,000mm - that's a glass of water 30m high over the fabric - for 24hrs (I think they get this measure by pressurising the 'glass'). So how does that Gabba rate??
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby rifraf » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:21 pm
Heres another vote for the Showers Pass Elite 2.0
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/shpaelraja.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good luck with the decision making.
Update:
It appears there is now a Showers Pass Elite 2.1 which is of course a little dearer than the 2.0
I'll have to do some reading to see whats been updated or upgraded.
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/showers-pas ... acket.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:51 pm
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby toofat » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:17 pm
depends on your type of riding if you are doing flat out 50km group rides with a few sprints you will end up a bit damp inside and the showerpass jersey would be better
if brisk commuting the elite2,0 will see you arrive warm and dry
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby jamesn184 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:29 pm
It would be used for training rides (usually around 100km+) and commuting 25km each way to work, but in he end I want something that will have a "hugging fit"toofat wrote:it boes not flap about, but its not body hugging either, designed to have layers underneath
depends on your type of riding if you are doing flat out 50km group rides with a few sprints you will end up a bit damp inside and the showerpass jersey would be better
if brisk commuting the elite2,0 will see you arrive warm and dry
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:16 pm
Roomy on me (but I'm a skinny guy), loose fit but flapping is not a concern. Short at the front, long at the back, Excellent venting with pit-zips, velcro cuffs and the shoulder vent. These jackets are commonly used by Audax riders who are doing 200, 300, 400, 600 and 1000km endurance rides. If it rains on the ride, they are out all day and more in it.jamesn184 wrote:Whats the cut like on the shower pass? I don't want something that's going to be flapping about
A "hugging fit" may be good for the Pro-team look, however it is less likely to keep you dry as well. It will not allow very much flow-through ventilation. The water-proofing of a cycling jacket used for moderate exertion depends on three things:
1. Waterproof fabric,
2. Breathability of the fabric, and
3. Design and cut of the jacket.
'Breathablility' will never keep you dry on the exertion of a 10km mountain climb, you will get sweaty. The design, with room for air flow and suitable vents, will help to reduce this. You will still get somewhat damp. Breathable fabric allows you to dry out over time when you slow the exertion down and body heat helps to push vapour out of the jacket. Jackets that have low or no breathability just leave you wet all day - in critical conditions this will place you at great risk of hypothermia.
Pro-team riders just put up with it and sling the newspaper down their jersey for some more windproofing. They are only out for 4-5 hours and riding at high exertion the whole time. Maybe that's your typical 100km ride - 30kmh+ speeds, non-stop, then home for a bath. Myself I do all sorts of riding, but often they are longer duration tours with stops for regrouping, sightseeing, lunch in a cafe, etc. I ride hard then stop for a break, then ride on. In the rain, it's important to be able to dry off during a break, rather than get the shivers and shakes.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:25 pm
As far as I can tell from their description, it seems that it has just been given a draught flap behind the main zip. Kinda silly as the zip is already waterproof and never gives me the hint of a draught. I won't be bothering to upgrade, until my current jacket expires.rifraf wrote:Update:
It appears there is now a Showers Pass Elite 2.1 which is of course a little dearer than the 2.0
I'll have to do some reading to see whats been updated or upgraded.
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/showers-pas ... acket.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby rifraf » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:22 pm
Nor I, as I'm very happy with it. Wish it had been $199 when I bought mine though.il padrone wrote: As far as I can tell from their description, it seems that it has just been given a draught flap behind the main zip. Kinda silly as the zip is already waterproof and never gives me the hint of a draught. I won't be bothering to upgrade, until my current jacket expires.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby rifraf » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:29 pm
From memory the advice was to grab the helmet cover:jamesn184 wrote:It would be used for training rides (usually around 100km+) and commuting 25km each way to work, but in he end I want something that will have a "hugging fit"toofat wrote:it boes not flap about, but its not body hugging either, designed to have layers underneath
depends on your type of riding if you are doing flat out 50km group rides with a few sprints you will end up a bit damp inside and the showerpass jersey would be better
if brisk commuting the elite2,0 will see you arrive warm and dry
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/showers-pas ... cover.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but unless your wanting to tour maybe pass on the accessory hood:
http://www.bicyclinghub.com/shpaho.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Personally if I was buying again, and especially at that price (199.00), I'd also grab the hood to take avantage of
the free shipping (over $250 spend).
If you wanted to know about helmet cover size I can offer that the cover is ample for my Giro Ionus size L.
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby Purt » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:41 pm
Why not just buy from showers pass? $203 including delivery.RonK wrote:Topic discussed at some length here only last week. Get the Showers Pass Elite 2.0 on closeout at bicycling.hub
http://www.showerspass.com/catalog/clos ... s-elite-20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Winter & Rain jackets
Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:54 pm
If you want it grab one. The new 2.1 is $240.
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