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Titanium Flame
Postby eldavo » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:14 am
Here's a former lover with a pair of Ti Flame cans that started my fetish for it:
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby clydesmcdale » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:28 am
My next bike will be titanium for sure.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby eldavo » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:17 am
When there are so many mock titanium finishes, this would be nice authentic visual cool cue until the stickers catch up
On the hot mc exhaust there are no imposters
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby jimh » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:19 pm
Reckon they could probably do something for you.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby eldavo » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:25 am
Only problem with really nice bikes and that particular location is not wanting any road grit to flick up onto it.
A clear frame protector as featured on my current build's chain stay could do the trick.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby jimh » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:25 pm
Have a look at their tumblr site - they can pretty much do whatever you want .... for a price.... and check out those welds are they neat or what ?
http://fireflybicycles.tumblr.com/archive
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby barefoot » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:39 pm
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby boss » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:16 pm
I don't know about the full 'rainbow' treatment, reminds me of riceboy cannon exhausts. Steel welds aren't so flamboyant.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Comedian » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:08 pm
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby barefoot » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:20 pm
Or http://www.sprayyabike.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Comedian wrote:I'd reckon the guys at Baum could probably paint that up for you.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby jimh » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:10 pm
Not to mention Firefly is some what cheaper due to the exchange rate.
Comparing Firefly and Baum is a pointless exercise in splitting hairs, they are both top-self bikes and the builders are top of class.
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Postby DaveOZ » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:29 pm
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Mulger bill » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:57 pm
More pics please...DaveOZ wrote:Heat does it to titanium. My titanium exhaust on my Lotus has a nice purple tinge. I guess you could hit the frame with an oxy torch?
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Hergest » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:27 pm
I'm not going to try it on the Lynskey as i think it would look daft on a bike but each to their own. I'm curious as to the metallurgy of the thing though.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby jimh » Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:03 pm
http://www.instructables.com/id/Anodize-Titanium/
I'm sure you'd need to practice it to get results like the pics above from firefly
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby sumgy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:37 am
Ugly IMO.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Nobody » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:16 am
Maybe. But as far as I can tell, Ti alloy is heat treated and may be affected too much for a frame material.DaveOZ wrote:Heat does it to titanium. My titanium exhaust on my Lotus has a nice purple tinge. I guess you could hit the frame with an oxy torch?
Maybe try it on your frame(s) and let us know how it goes.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby gabrielle260 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:04 am
Jim - I just checked out Firefly's website... They are lovely looking bikes! I own a Baum Cubano but I have just added Firefly to my dream bike list!jimh wrote:Guys it isn't paint, and Darren doesn't do it.
Not to mention Firefly is some what cheaper due to the exchange rate.
Comparing Firefly and Baum is a pointless exercise in splitting hairs, they are both top-self bikes and the builders are top of class.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby sumgy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:44 am
they seem to think that BAUM is the only company that can make a decent ti frame.
IMO they are nothing special in the ti world.
Just well welded ti and steel frames with interesting paint jobs.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Comedian » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:02 pm
Ok, how many other TI frame manufacturers do TI road frames at 1kg?sumgy wrote:God I laugh at Aussies.
they seem to think that BAUM is the only company that can make a decent ti frame.
IMO they are nothing special in the ti world.
Just well welded ti and steel frames with interesting paint jobs.
I'm sure there are others, but I'm unclear as to who they might be...
Further on this.. TI is hard to work and 100's of people have lost their lives in aviation due to shortfalls in manufacturing processes ... with the lesson that TI must be done well.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby London Boy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:42 pm
The problem is that you are sacrificing strength and durability while building a bike that you will then need to add weights to so that you meet the UCI's specifications. And nobody is going to tell me that the difference between a 1kg Baum and a 1.4kg Moots would have any impact at all outside of competition.Comedian wrote:Ok, how many other TI frame manufacturers do TI road frames at 1kg?sumgy wrote:God I laugh at Aussies.
they seem to think that BAUM is the only company that can make a decent ti frame.
IMO they are nothing special in the ti world.
Just well welded ti and steel frames with interesting paint jobs.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Comedian » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:00 pm
Yeah... I'm not so sure. Having recently moved to a lighter bike.. despite being 1kg lighter it rode a LOT better. My discussion with Baum has indicated that their medium Coretto frames are around the 1kg mark. One in my size should be about 1100, which I considered to be comparable to most good carbon frames which will allow me to get a bike out at 7kg or a smidge less without going too crazy. Should still be stiff yet ride well.London Boy wrote:The problem is that you are sacrificing strength and durability while building a bike that you will then need to add weights to so that you meet the UCI's specifications. And nobody is going to tell me that the difference between a 1kg Baum and a 1.4kg Moots would have any impact at all outside of competition.Comedian wrote:Ok, how many other TI frame manufacturers do TI road frames at 1kg?sumgy wrote:God I laugh at Aussies.
they seem to think that BAUM is the only company that can make a decent ti frame.
IMO they are nothing special in the ti world.
Just well welded ti and steel frames with interesting paint jobs.
I think that if someone can build a very light TI frame, that is stiff and yet rides well... isn't that something to celebrate? Even more so if they are a local. I'd hate to see tall poppy syndrome come into play here...
Sumgy.. do you have some association with a local distributor of Chinese TI frames amongst other stuff? Always heard good things about them too and saw one out at Nundah one day.
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby sumgy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:32 pm
No. Koiled frames are made in the USA.Comedian wrote:
Yeah... I'm not so sure. Having recently moved to a lighter bike.. despite being 1kg lighter it rode a LOT better. My discussion with Baum has indicated that their medium Coretto frames are around the 1kg mark. One in my size should be about 1100, which I considered to be comparable to most good carbon frames which will allow me to get a bike out at 7kg or a smidge less without going too crazy. Should still be stiff yet ride well.
I think that if someone can build a very light TI frame, that is stiff and yet rides well... isn't that something to celebrate? Even more so if they are a local. I'd hate to see tall poppy syndrome come into play here...
Sumgy.. do you have some association with a local distributor of Chinese TI frames amongst other stuff? Always heard good things about them too and saw one out at Nundah one day.
It was quite probably mine you saw at Nundah (it is in the classified's here).
My only association with Koiled these days is that I own one.
Look, I am not saying that BAUM are bad. Far from it.
Just that Aussies seem to think that BAUM is the be all and end all of Ti and they are far from that too.
BAUM are great bikes but you pay a decent premium versus many of the well known foreign manufacturers.
You would likely find that the SL version of a Moots is about the same weight.
If you use the same tubes with ti you are most likely going to hit a similar weight.
And owning a 7kg bike is great for just that (owning a 7kg bike).
My Moots and my Baum are both right around 7kg with Mad Fibers installed.
I win just as many races with the MF's as I do with my Fulcrum 1's (none).
And weight has very little to do with ride quality IMO.
Geometry and tubing (in the case of ti) will change those characteristics.
My Moots and my Koiled ride very differently to each other with the Koiled being a much smoother ride than the Moots (and the Moots is pretty darn smooth).
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Re: Titanium Flame
Postby Comedian » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:12 pm
It's nice to hear from someone that has owned a number of different TI bikes. It's really difficult to meaningfully get to know these bikes without owning them at some time.sumgy wrote:No. Koiled frames are made in the USA.Comedian wrote:
Yeah... I'm not so sure. Having recently moved to a lighter bike.. despite being 1kg lighter it rode a LOT better. My discussion with Baum has indicated that their medium Coretto frames are around the 1kg mark. One in my size should be about 1100, which I considered to be comparable to most good carbon frames which will allow me to get a bike out at 7kg or a smidge less without going too crazy. Should still be stiff yet ride well.
I think that if someone can build a very light TI frame, that is stiff and yet rides well... isn't that something to celebrate? Even more so if they are a local. I'd hate to see tall poppy syndrome come into play here...
Sumgy.. do you have some association with a local distributor of Chinese TI frames amongst other stuff? Always heard good things about them too and saw one out at Nundah one day.
It was quite probably mine you saw at Nundah (it is in the classified's here).
My only association with Koiled these days is that I own one.
Look, I am not saying that BAUM are bad. Far from it.
Just that Aussies seem to think that BAUM is the be all and end all of Ti and they are far from that too.
BAUM are great bikes but you pay a decent premium versus many of the well known foreign manufacturers.
You would likely find that the SL version of a Moots is about the same weight.
If you use the same tubes with ti you are most likely going to hit a similar weight.
And owning a 7kg bike is great for just that (owning a 7kg bike).
My Moots and my Baum are both right around 7kg with Mad Fibers installed.
I win just as many races with the MF's as I do with my Fulcrum 1's (none).
And weight has very little to do with ride quality IMO.
Geometry and tubing (in the case of ti) will change those characteristics.
My Moots and my Koiled ride very differently to each other with the Koiled being a much smoother ride than the Moots (and the Moots is pretty darn smooth).
I'm a bit divided on how much of a premium Baum charge. I was paddling around the Lynskey site and found the Helix was around 4k raw, and with a basic paint job it was pretty much 5 with similar inclusions to the Baum. Baum paintwork is in another class though, and the Baum is a custom frame and paint job so the waters get a little muddy. I can't help but wonder whether some of the price advantages of high end frames are being helped by the AUD being at an all time high. If the AUD were to revert to more typical long term levels in the 80's ... then I think things would be far closer.
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