Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
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Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby takai » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:20 pm
I only run at max a 700Cx25 tyre, so something that doesnt end up as more of a air brake would be better.
Any alternatives out there?
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby DaveOZ » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:27 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:24 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby MichaelB » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:43 pm
+2 for sureDaveOZ wrote:http://www.this link is broken/Mode ... elID=25793
I actually got some of these Tortec ones from Evans (needed to get some other things and only Evans had all of them), which appears rrrreeeeaaaaalllllyyyyyy similar to the SKS
http://www.evanscycles.com/products/tor ... e-ec036170
These also had the mudflap at the bottom which makes a bit of difference as well
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Postby WestcoastPete » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:54 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby takai » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:57 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:11 pm
I haven't used the Crudracers so can't judge a lot. I have my doubts about their long-term strength (eg. in 'impact' situations) and really doubt they can be modified or repaired like the SKS can. I've cut them, shortened them, replace stay-brackets, straightened out concertina'd guards and drilled & cable-tied the guard when the fork bracket broke then later re-rivetted a new fork bracket in place.Very secure, durable, resilient, repairable and modifiable.
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Postby SmellyTofu » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:43 pm
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Postby il padrone » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:47 pm
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Postby SmellyTofu » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:28 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:37 pm
Mostly it is a risk riding on tours..... on gravel/dirt forest roads and tracks. But I have more than once seen it happen on sealed roads - once a friend was riding in the suburbs and managed to flick up a bit of wooden dowel...... flung into the rear wheel spokes, trashed his mudguard. Another time it was a large rock flicked up and into the front mudguard between the tyre and guard. Nasty, but lucky he was not thrown OTB.
Probably not a big risk for the average commute, but I was just saying, this is one of the strengths of the SKS. The OP was asking for info - specifically how SKS might be better than Crudracers.
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Postby Red Rider » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:51 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby MichaelB » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:58 pm
As others have also alluded, my experience with both is ;takai wrote:So next question, why these over the CrudRacers?
Crudracers - better than nothing when there isn't the option of proper attachments, but flexy and work to a point.
SKS Bluemel, Longboards, Chromoplastic etc - Just work. Strong, great design, and absolute PITA to setup, but work. Simple.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby SmellyTofu » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:36 am
Btw, I have had the fixed mounts on my previous MTB and I honestly don't think it's any better or worse than the cruds apart from the durability if you whack it with a big stick. I don't expect to see a log on the cyclepath or road even though Sydney roads can be a goat track sometimes.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:06 am
Even chop and wire them to run a roller-dynamo
Or get the Longboard version for the low look
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby Aushiker » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:32 am
I fitted a set of P35s to my Kinesis Racelight Granfondo and they didn't last long. Never got a decent fit for starters, particular on the front and then caught a stick in the front guard whilst riding on a path. The release didn't save the guard which was ripped from the mount.
With the Kinesis I then went over to Crud Roadracer Mk2 guards but found them lacking on the durability front (brittle after awhile) and again fit has been an issue particular with 25 mm tyres so removed them a couple of weeks ago. Oh also I lost a couple of the brushes: that cost me a new tyre before I clicked that the guard was rubbing the sidewall away. That tyre lasted 600 km. So for me back to no guards on the Kinesis at the moment.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:41 am
How are they going to go under modern brake calipers. I have ultegra 6600 and will run 25c tyres. Will sks guards fit under the brake calipers?il padrone wrote:One of the beauties of the SKS guards is that you can tailor-make them to however you want them. Run them long:
Even chop and wire them to run a roller-dynamo
Or get the Longboard version for the low look
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:05 pm
No idea. I don't have any of the more modern dual-pivots on my bikes. Carbon frames are generally too close I believe.warthog1 wrote:How are they going to go under modern brake calipers. I have ultegra 6600 and will run 25c tyres. Will sks guards fit under the brake calipers?
The rear guard mount can be Maguyvered with a bracket over the brake. At the front you could just cut the mudguard short at the fork.
But if that's your situation it's probably best to just use the Crudracers.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:45 pm
I am on the PC now and can see the photos a bit better. The bottom one in Andrews post below yours looks like a dual pivot caliper;
as does the one on the Ribble photo of mine. Looks like they do
Another stupid question fom me
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:55 pm
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby WestcoastPete » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:51 pm
These are SKS fenders designed for low clearance skinny tyred bikes. They shouldn't require MacGuyvering, and should work well with short reach dual pivot brakes. These are the long version (my preference - if you're adding fenders, may as well make them awesome, just watch them when dropping off kerbs), but I think there's a short version.WestcoastPete wrote:I've got some of these to fit to a skinny tyred road bike. I haven't done so yet. I love my standard longboards though with their extra coverage.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:01 pm
They'll work beautifully on the bike I'm after by the look too. Thanks.WestcoastPete wrote:
These are SKS fenders designed for low clearance skinny tyred bikes. They shouldn't require MacGuyvering, and should work well with short reach dual pivot brakes. These are the long version (my preference - if you're adding fenders, may as well make them awesome, just watch them when dropping off kerbs), but I think there's a short version.
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby Aushiker » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:22 pm
Restricted to 23 mm by the looks, well at least what c r c stock.WestcoastPete wrote:These are SKS fenders designed for low clearance skinny tyred bikes. They shouldn't require MacGuyvering, and should work well with short reach dual pivot brakes. These are the long version (my preference - if you're adding fenders, may as well make them awesome, just watch them when dropping off kerbs), but I think there's a short version.
EDIT: They do do a Raceblade XL which is for tyres up to 32 mm. ALso looking at the SKS website there are numerous options. Just need to find a retailer now
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Re: Mudguards for lugged commuter bikes
Postby rifraf » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:56 pm
From France there is the beautiful products from Gilles Berthound and like the other brands a multitude of versions though unlike the Cascadia of Planet Bike, Gilles seems to be most well know for their light weight highly polished stainless steel although they do also carbon fibre versions.
http://www.gillesberthoud.fr/anglais/ac ... sultat.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Their website is from the dark ages so look for their products at other sites like
http://peterwhitecycles.com/fenders.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; or a google or yahoo "images" search.
Velo Orange do almost the same as Gilles but in polished alloy (again light weight - lighter than the durable plastic of the Cascadias). http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/ ... nders.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good luck with the decision - dont forget to tell us what you choose and how you get on.
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