that's an easy one to answer- to not ring. and i have a shared path running in the park at the back of my place, so it is a context i am very familiar with.arkle wrote:gobsec you make more sense than anyone
but what a shame we can't ask some pedestrians for their opinion
hey maybe we can - what would you like cyclists to do when YOU'RE walking with your family on a shared path?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby arkle » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:57 pm
whereas i walk and run on paths every week and i want them to ding so i know that they're cominggobsec wrote:that's an easy one to answer- to not ring. and i have a shared path running in the park at the back of my place, so it is a context i am very familiar with.arkle wrote:gobsec you make more sense than anyone
but what a shame we can't ask some pedestrians for their opinion
hey maybe we can - what would you like cyclists to do when YOU'RE walking with your family on a shared path?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby gobsec » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:06 pm
excellent- a diversity of opinion, which makes the world a richer place. and both of us appear to act in a manner consistent with our considered positions, so no hypocrisy either. this is good.arkle wrote:whereas i walk and run on paths every week and i want them to ding so i know that they're cominggobsec wrote:that's an easy one to answer- to not ring. and i have a shared path running in the park at the back of my place, so it is a context i am very familiar with.arkle wrote:gobsec you make more sense than anyone
but what a shame we can't ask some pedestrians for their opinion
hey maybe we can - what would you like cyclists to do when YOU'RE walking with your family on a shared path?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Howzat » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:43 pm
Eight pages and no-one has yet speculated on whether, when riding behind die Fußgänger, Adolf Hitler did or did not ring his Fahrradklingel.greyhoundtom wrote:To ding or not to ding, that is the question ........ fair dinkum eight pages and still going strong.
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Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:26 pm
^^^ thisgobsec wrote:some find it hard to believe that pedestrians are not startled by a rider overtaking them without ringing. my experience shows that in the great majority of cases i don't startle pedestrians. i put that down to a couple of inter-related factors: the speed at which i overtake them and the separation distance. there is a simple rule here: the closer i need to pass by the pedestrian the slower i will go; by corollary the greater the separation distance the faster i can travel.
I got to experince my shared path from the POV of a ped yesterday because I got my first ever commuting flat and had to walk home. The cyclists on that path don't ding but they do ride at an appropriate speed for their seperation distance. I didn't find being passed by cyclists disconcerting at all.
As a cyclist on the same shared path, I have been watching the reaction of peds as I ride past since contributing to this thread and have found that they don't react... which indicates to me that my speed/separation distance are appropriate in the circumstances.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:29 pm
Not ring but I would like cyclists to pass at a reasonalbe speed relative to their separation distance. So if they are going to pass close, go a bit slower and if they are passing wide to go faster. Actually, the cyclists on my path already do that so...gobsec wrote:that's an easy one to answer- to not ring. and i have a shared path running in the park at the back of my place, so it is a context i am very familiar with.arkle wrote:gobsec you make more sense than anyone
but what a shame we can't ask some pedestrians for their opinion
hey maybe we can - what would you like cyclists to do when YOU'RE walking with your family on a shared path?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby rkelsen » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:58 am
Is it me, or is Godwin's Law occuring much more frequently around here these days?Howzat wrote:Eight pages and no-one has yet speculated on whether, when riding behind die Fußgänger, Adolf Hitler did or did not ring his Fahrradklingel.greyhoundtom wrote:To ding or not to ding, that is the question ........ fair dinkum eight pages and still going strong.
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Postby DentedHead » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:28 am
So it seems the reactions of peds varies considerably according to location.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby landscapecadmonkey » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:17 am
Most sensible post so far.Pushy wrote:I ding. Done my duty of care, minimised contributory negligence. It will be on the vid.
i have found that Dings, with decent notice and slowing, work almost always. No ding and its a crap shoot.
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Postby VRE » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:18 am
That's rubbish. The majority of the peds who hear me using my bike's bell thank me for it, verbally, or with a hand wave. Perhaps the problem you have with peds is due to your attitude (evidenced in your last sentence)?fujifan wrote:... All ped's hate cyclists dinging because of this. Avoid the shared paths is my moto due to many of the issues mentioned. I'd rather annoy motorists.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby casual_cyclist » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:17 pm
I had the opposite experience this morning. There were two guys walking on a shared path in the same direction, one on the far left and and one on the far right (of course ). Anyway, the guy on a bike in front of my decided it would be a good idea to ding them. So the guy on the left stopped, turned right and stepped in front of the cyclist. I could see what was going to happen, so I slowed down. Since both of them were walking at a steady pace, I would have simply slowed down and cycled between them. There was plenty of room and no reason to 'startle' the 'wildlife'. I would not attempt to 'zoom' through though. That would be asking for trouble.landscapecadmonkey wrote:Most sensible post so far.Pushy wrote:I ding. Done my duty of care, minimised contributory negligence. It will be on the vid.
i have found that Dings, with decent notice and slowing, work almost always. No ding and its a crap shoot.
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Postby SmellyTofu » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:57 pm
I am considering putting a cow bell or something so that every bump will ring the bell... that or fit a radio, have it turned up loud so you can listen to the news or whatnot whilst riding and still have the alert that the sheep .. I mean pedestrians need.
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Postby VRE » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:02 pm
Are you seriously considering putting something on your bike that will make it continually noisy? One of the most appealing things about bikes (to me) is how quiet they are. I use bells when they're necessary, but try to keep their use to a minimum.SmellyTofu wrote:Ding and loud hubs. I guess you have to assess the situation and sometimes dinging might not work say if you're riding along a busy road with trucks driving past. In that case, slow down.
I am considering putting a cow bell or something so that every bump will ring the bell... that or fit a radio, have it turned up loud so you can listen to the news or whatnot whilst riding and still have the alert that the sheep .. I mean pedestrians need.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby arkle » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:25 pm
What you need to do is cut a long flap out of a plastic yoghurt carton and fix it to the frame of your bike so that the flap sticks into the back wheel and hits the spokes and goes, "thpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthpthp" as you ride along.VRE wrote:Are you seriously considering putting something on your bike that will make it continually noisy? One of the most appealing things about bikes (to me) is how quiet they are. I use bells when they're necessary, but try to keep their use to a minimum.SmellyTofu wrote:Ding and loud hubs. I guess you have to assess the situation and sometimes dinging might not work say if you're riding along a busy road with trucks driving past. In that case, slow down.
I am considering putting a cow bell or something so that every bump will ring the bell... that or fit a radio, have it turned up loud so you can listen to the news or whatnot whilst riding and still have the alert that the sheep .. I mean pedestrians need.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby high_tea » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:23 pm
Ringing on constantly is legally dubious too. I myself think's an issue that's unlikely to come up. But we keep getting told we are legally required to have a bell. I feel I must point out, for balance, that there's also a legal requirement to only ring it when necessary.VRE wrote:Are you seriously considering putting something on your bike that will make it continually noisy? One of the most appealing things about bikes (to me) is how quiet they are. I use bells when they're necessary, but try to keep their use to a minimum.SmellyTofu wrote:Ding and loud hubs. I guess you have to assess the situation and sometimes dinging might not work say if you're riding along a busy road with trucks driving past. In that case, slow down.
I am considering putting a cow bell or something so that every bump will ring the bell... that or fit a radio, have it turned up loud so you can listen to the news or whatnot whilst riding and still have the alert that the sheep .. I mean pedestrians need.
This is so in Queensland anyway. Usual disclaimers.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby arkle » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:12 am
That was not decent notice.casual_cyclist wrote:I had the opposite experience this morning. There were two guys walking on a shared path in the same direction, one on the far left and and one on the far right (of course ). Anyway, the guy on a bike in front of my decided it would be a good idea to ding them. So the guy on the left stopped, turned right and stepped in front of the cyclist.landscapecadmonkey wrote:Most sensible post so far.Pushy wrote:I ding. Done my duty of care, minimised contributory negligence. It will be on the vid.
i have found that Dings, with decent notice and slowing, work almost always. No ding and its a crap shoot.
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