Baw Baw
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Baw Baw
Postby whenin_rome » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:14 am
Did a ride around Noojee from Drouin yesterday and now Im keen to ride Baw Baw.
Just want some advice on exactly just how hard this climb is....
I ride Macedon southside quite a bit and I find this a challenging climb but if someone how knows both these climbs could compare them thatd be great so I know just how fit I need to be to get up it!
Ive heard the road up Baw Baw is pretty dicey as well
Cheers
Josh
Re: Baw Baw
Postby slipsam » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:44 pm
From looking at the write ups on The Climbing Cyclist the Baw Baw climb is both longer and steeper (9.1km (AT) 5.4% vs 12.5km (AT) 7.7%). Also, the last 6.5km at Baw Baw averages close to 12%
But if you are doing the Macedon ride regularly you should be fine to give it a crack. I did, and from what you've described was probably less fit than yourself. Whats the worst that can happen? You get off and have a break? I did a couple of times!
The road surface is not too bad. Just be very careful on the descent. Very steep and can be slippery if any moisture around.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby Jono L. » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:21 pm
Although it is definitely a lot harder than Sth Macedon.
Enjoy!
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby clackers » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:43 pm
I wouldn't have thought it and Baw Baw have much in common, to be honest.
Why don't you do Donna Buang instead? It's closer, for starters.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby VRE » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:25 pm
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby whenin_rome » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:51 pm
Id be disappointed if I had to stop on the climb.
Got a mate that lives in Drouin so we decided after riding to Noojee on the weekend we'd give it an honest crack
Donna Buang a good climb as well?
Ive got to do some serious training up Macedon, which already puts me in my place
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby whenin_rome » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:01 pm
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby VRE » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:05 pm
Donna Buang's definitely easier than Baw Baw but harder than Macedon, mainly because Donna Buang is about 1100m climbing with average 6.5% grade while Macedon is about 500m climbing on the eastern side at 5.5%. However, the Donna Buang climb has a fairly consistent grade (although slightly steeper in the middle, leading up to Cement Creek), and I don't find it particularly difficult compared to others. I can't rate the Donna Buang scenery highly enough - definitely do this climb sometime soon .whenin_rome wrote:Donna Buang looks nowhere near as hard as macedon or baw baw
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby clackers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:39 am
What? It's more than a thousand metres of ascending and is probably a Category One climb.whenin_rome wrote:Donna Buang looks nowhere near as hard as macedon or baw baw
Much harder than Macedon, but of course easier than Baw Baw or Hotham.
As VRE points out, the scenery is so beautiful there's actually a treetop walk for tourists not far from cement creek.
I've ridden it from the dirt road side, tree ferns everywhere, the summit was covered in snow, then descended into Warburton on the bitumen for a hot pie at the bakery.
Re: Baw Baw
Postby slipsam » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:46 am
Saw only one car for the whole ride, but several lyrebirds, echidna, wombat and wallabies. One of the most enjoyable rides I've ever done.
Certainly not as hard as Baw Baw, but at nearly 17km averaging 6.5% it's no pushover.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby toppity » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:11 am
One thing I do know is that some of the local riders do not like coming down as it is so steep. Not one for carbon clinchers I think.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby whenin_rome » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:38 pm
If you ask me what makes a climb hard its not the distance of the climb nor the metres ascended; but the gradient
When the gradient changes frequently its hard to get in a rhythm
South side of macedon has really steep gradients which I didnt think Donna Buang had, when I looked at climbingcyclist.com.au
Alton Rd up Mt Macedon is even harder IMHO
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:06 pm
+1 the beauty of Donna.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby VRE » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:21 am
Well I guess whenin_rome will just have to do Donna, then make up his own mind . Although I've ridden up Donna 7 times, I've only done Macedon once, so I'm hardly an expert on it. I rode 90km from Parkdale (SE of Melbourne, and about 20m elevation) to the Mt Macedon township at 500m elevation, uphill and with a headwind all the way, and was still surprised to find the climb up to the summit easier than I'd expected.warthog1 wrote:I've done Donna and Macedon. Macedon is steeper, I rate it a bit harder than Donna just due to steepness. Donna is pretty gentle all the way up.
+1 the beauty of Donna.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby wizdofaus » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:23 am
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby pawnii » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:33 am
Luckily no one came off.
Beautiful climb
Expensive day
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby VRE » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:32 am
I was using a road bike, but with aluminium braking surfaces. I took it easy, though, taking 20 minutes to get to the bottom, and never allowed my speed to get to the point where I had to do any major braking.pawnii wrote:I melted my carbon clinchers descending Baw Baw. 2 other guys blew up tubes on Al clinchers.
Luckily no one came off.
Beautiful climb
Expensive day
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby pawnii » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:43 pm
It wasn't a cheap carbon clincher either. Enve 45 classics.
lucky they replaced them under warranty.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby VRE » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:08 pm
Awesome effort, then . I did it when the temperature was in the low 20s, and there's no way in hell I'd ever ride up Baw Baw on a hot day.pawnii wrote:i was going as slow as i possibly can. it was a 40 degree day and it happened in the first 2kms.
It wasn't a cheap carbon clincher either. Enve 45 classics.
lucky they replaced them under warranty.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby ausrandoman » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:17 pm
One difficulty with reading comments here is that people rarely give a bench mark for their performance. Are you an A grade scratch rider or a casual recreational cyclist?
I do the Alpine Classic Extreme in 11 to 12 hours. I ride up Macedon in 34 x 28. I used 20 x 28 and 20 x 25 on Baw Baw. That is not a typo. One of my road bikes is set up for severe climbs, with a twenty tooth chainwheel. I use it for gradients steeper than about 15%.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby warthog1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:00 am
I don't know, you've ridden Donna more than me and I've also only done macedon once. That was just my impression, neither seemed that bad anyway.VRE wrote: Well I guess whenin_rome will just have to do Donna, then make up his own mind . Although I've ridden up Donna 7 times, I've only done Macedon once, so I'm hardly an expert on it. I rode 90km from Parkdale (SE of Melbourne, and about 20m elevation) to the Mt Macedon township at 500m elevation, uphill and with a headwind all the way, and was still surprised to find the climb up to the summit easier than I'd expected.
I'd love to have a crack at some of those bigger climbs.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby clackers » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:09 am
Baw Baw and Hotham await you!warthog1 wrote: That was just my impression, neither seemed that bad anyway.
I'd love to have a crack at some of those bigger climbs.
So far I've only done Macedon, Donna, Buffalo and Buller. I wouldn't put Macedon in the same category as the last three.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby Uncle Just » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:57 am
Such as:
A) it's very hard and unrelenting ie nowhere to ease off
B) a climb comparable to an Hors categorie o/s, so give it respect
B) ride a compact
C) don't go out too hard
D) stay focused
Personally it's not a climb I like, imo there are better, enjoyable climbs in the Vic alps. It's a very fast, always hard on the brakes descent too, so be warned.
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Re: Baw Baw
Postby macca33 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:15 am
cheers
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