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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby g-boaf » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:48 pm

I nearly forgot about it until I saw the email that came in today. Good on them.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby wilddemon » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:58 pm

Me too. Good to hear they are taking it seriously.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby schroeds » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:30 pm

Wow, I've just spent an hour reading this thread...wow.

Just to wander sightly off topic again (sorry :oops: ), what strikes me is how unified the forum initially was against the idiot journalist, how a rather off topic controversy seemed to turn the anger inwards in such a cannibalistic way :shock: , then there was a refocusing on the common enemy, and there we all feel good again :D

You could write a thesis on group human behaviour from this thread, but one observation I have to make is how easily this community can become fractured. Even in the context of a response to a common foe.

That's perhaps indicative of a weakness of the cycling community, and a challenge: speaking with one voice to the public whilst encouraging constructive debate and entertaining differing views internally is very important to us all.

And on the whole we are pretty good at it, so we should have the confidence to remain unshaken by agent provocateurs and indulgent of dissenters.

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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby gorilla monsoon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:29 pm

wilddemon wrote:Me too. Good to hear they are taking it seriously.


Oh, you think the Press Council takes this kind of stuff seriously? Okay then. And there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Personally, I'd have sent a copy of the column to Media Watch. Then I'd have rung the guy and offered him my spare bike and the chance to come for a ride, gently explaining to him what it was all about so that he could see the error of his ways.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby wilddemon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:31 pm

^ thanks for the hot tip. I'll be sure to to fly over 1000 km next time to do just that. So did he accept your invitation? Or should I expect another pot of gold?
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:39 pm

Media Watch were contacted repeatedly and by many in relation to this.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby AUbicycles » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:00 pm

Media watch certainly have the right to pick and choose and if they reported it wouldn't like be on a conflict between groups rather quality and errors in reporting/journalism.

Schroeds, yes I see what you mean- as a community there can be a unity but not to forget, not everyone gets involved in these type if discussions and some members are very active.

That is the nature of forums and while any one topic may do no more than allow a discussion with collection of views, in context there is not always a goal or result.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby InTheWoods » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:04 pm

And finally

(I hope its ok to quote, I haven't quoted names. Mods remove if not ok)

Dear Mr Inthewoods

Re: Gold Coast Bulletin, “Meers: Time to curb pedal power”, 11 December 2012

I apologise for the long delay in communicating with you about this matter. As previously advised we sought a response from the publication after receiving several complaints.

Having further considered the issues and the publication’s response to the complaint, we do not consider that the level of offence to be so grave as to outweigh public interest in freedom of expression. In reaching this decision, we note that the article is clearly identified as an opinion piece and falls within the Standards of Practice that acknowledges publications are free to publish the by-lined opinions of others that may express robust and at times, provocative views.

Accordingly, we have decided not to refer the matter to the Adjudication Panel. We realise that this outcome is not what you hoped to achieve, and again, we apologise for the regrettable delay in reaching this decision. We welcome your active interest in compliance with appropriate standards of media practice. Please feel free to contact me if you would like any further information or to bring other matters to the attention of the Council.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:49 pm

Just got this one:

Via email: [email protected]
Dear Mr Sharp
Re: Gold Coast Bulletin, “Meers: Time to curb pedal power”, 11 December 2012
I apologise for the long delay in communicating with you about this matter.
As previously advised we sought a response from the publication after receiving several complaints.
Having further considered the issues and the publication’s response to the complaint, we do not consider that the level of offence to be so grave as to outweigh public interest in freedom of expression.
In reaching this decision, we note that the article is clearly identified as an opinion piece and falls within the Standards of Practice that acknowledges publications are free to publish the by-lined opinions of others that may express robust and at times, provocative views.
Accordingly, we have decided not to refer the matter to the Adjudication Panel. We realise that this outcome is not what you hoped to achieve, and again, we apologise for the regrettable delay in reaching this decision.
We welcome your active interest in compliance with appropriate standards of media practice. Please feel free to contact me if you would like any further information or to bring other matters to the attention of the Council.
Yours sincerely,
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:50 pm

Oops. Same thing:/
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby wilddemon » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:04 pm

Quite amazing that, upon review by APC, that this kind of journalism is considered ok. It was hinted at previously by a member here but I didn't really believe that it would wash like it has.
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Postby il padrone » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:09 pm

Industry-operated review boards...... a waste of time and space :roll:
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby zero » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:27 pm

List of possible punishments available to the adjudication panel.

Nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.
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Postby g-boaf » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:09 pm

What a surprise. :(
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:22 pm

Didn't exactly need anti plagiarism software to spot the similarities. You'd think in the 6+ months since they made the decision to extend the digit that they could have budgeted 20 minutes for someone to shuffle a paragraph or two. :roll:
zero wrote:List of possible punishments available to the adjudication panel.

Nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.

Seriously? Funded by whom?
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby trailgumby » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:36 pm

Typical of self-regulation. It is an institutionalised conflict of interest.

However, in this case, it is preferable to having them regulated by the government, which would be a conflict of interest of Orwellian proportions.

In the absence of a constitutional bill of rights, an independent media - flawed as it is - is at this time our primary and most effective check on the abuse of power by government. I fear the day when that is surrendered.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby high_tea » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:19 pm

That's freedom of the press for you, all right. For me, the Courier-Mail sums it up in a nutshell. It's a vile rag, 99% full of mindless parochial claptrap and syndicated articles, but every so often it puts out a story that justifies its existence. If Daniel Meers is the price we have to pay for a free press then I too am happy to pay it. Doesn't stop me wishing he'd stayed under his rock instead the day he wrote that article...
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby InTheWoods » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:26 pm

high_tea wrote: If Daniel Meers is the price we have to pay for a free press then I too am happy to pay it. Doesn't stop me wishing he'd stayed under his rock instead the day he wrote that article...


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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby winstonw » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:44 pm

Imagine the furore if Meers called for war against asylum seekers arriving on boats.

It seems cyclists' rights are not protected as vigorously.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby il padrone » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:42 am

trailgumby wrote:In the absence of a constitutional bill of rights, an independent media - flawed as it is - is at this time our primary and most effective check on the abuse of power by government. I fear the day when that is surrendered.

What was that I heard you say??

I must be going deaf, I could have sworn you said "independent"

:shock: :roll: :|
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby Xplora » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:57 pm

The purpose of this independent media is to protect the citizenry - publishing hatred is no better than government propaganda. It serves the community no better. I do not need the media to think for me. They are either serving the public or they are serving themselves. Either way, if they are not interested in being fair and balanced, they will reap the rewards of what they sow. Most of these bogan chipwrapper fillers will be jobless soon enough because there is no place online for such claptrap; it gets found out for being the garbage that it is.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby VRE » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:41 am

Xplora wrote:The purpose of this independent media is to protect the citizenry - publishing hatred is no better than government propaganda. It serves the community no better. I do not need the media to think for me. They are either serving the public or they are serving themselves. Either way, if they are not interested in being fair and balanced, they will reap the rewards of what they sow. Most of these bogan chipwrapper fillers will be jobless soon enough because there is no place online for such claptrap; it gets found out for being the garbage that it is.

I'm pretty sceptical about the independence of the media, too. While I understand that the internet mass social media can be pretty persuasive at times, I don't see any real difference between the online media and printed. In both cases, if an article sounds reasonably plausible, a lot of people will believe it, because it may just reinforce their preconceptions. For many, questioning those preconceptions is much more effort than just accepting what the article claims.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat

Postby ldrcycles » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:55 pm

VRE wrote: if an article sounds reasonably plausible, a lot of people will believe it.


Too true, great example are the chainmail posts that get around on facebook, the most recent ones I can think of claiming that asylum seekers get paid more by the government than pensioners (completely false) and just the other day, a list of "new" qld road rules with the sub-title "they kept these quiet didn't they?" (of course NONE of them were new, and they were all perfectly sensible and reasonable).

But the interwebz never lets the truth get in the way of a good story.
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