Budget Groupsets
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Budget Groupsets
Postby TMjpn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:18 am
I don't have any Tiagra/Sora experience and was wondering what kind of groupsets they are when you want to try push them. Does they shift reasonably when climbing, will I feel annoyed with it on a ride >60km's?
Was also contemplating SRAM Rival or Apex but I'm a bit of a Dumb, so in place of learning new controls I just want to stay on the tried and trusted shimano instead of switching styles between bikes. Yep I am THAT lazy.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby queequeg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:32 pm
My commuter came with SRAM Apex. It took all of 30 seconds to master the Double-Tap system vs STi.TMjpn wrote:Hi guys, just seeking some feedback on a group for a trainer/commuter I am building.Trying to keep the costs low, so I am comparing Latest Sora to Latest Tiagra to perhaps 5600 105..
I don't have any Tiagra/Sora experience and was wondering what kind of groupsets they are when you want to try push them. Does they shift reasonably when climbing, will I feel annoyed with it on a ride >60km's?
Was also contemplating SRAM Rival or Apex but I'm a bit of a Dumb, so in place of learning new controls I just want to stay on the tried and trusted shimano instead of switching styles between bikes. Yep I am THAT lazy.
I can't really compare the two properly though, as my STi set is Dura-Ace 7800. The shifting on the road bike is very smooth and precise. The Apex shifting is a bit rough in comparison, but the parts are substantially cheaper. Unfortunately you can't mix a SRAM RD with Shimano shifters, or SRAM shifters with Shimano RD. Makes it expensive if you want to switch later!
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TMjpn » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:29 pm
I have tried all of shimano's latest mechanical groups after building up from 105 5700 - except the new 9000 DA. I've noticed the changes in performance quality on the way and I do love how my 7900 group will most always get me in gear with no fuss - even when I'm out of the saddle on a climb and my legs begin bomb out. I know I can't expect the same level of precision in a lower end group but want to still try have fun with it on the daily ride to work. My budget is pretty much $300 max so if I can get in under that with a group I'd be happy.
Has anyone tried one of those Microshift Arsis groups? I've read they are very compatible with Shimano stuff/
I'm also really interested to find out how Tiagra 4600 is.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby find_bruce » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:56 pm
- Shimano Sora 3500 9 Spd Double Groupset From AU$265.94
- Shimano Tiagra 4600 10 Spd Double Groupset From AU$367.27
- Shimano 105 (5700) Silver 10 Spd Double Groupset From AU$497.74
You will struggle to find any thing substantially different between Tiagra & 105 - Shimano are the master at niche marketing - if you look at the pricing of individual components, the only one that has much difference is the crankset, but I haven't been able to figure out why
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby LM324 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:47 pm
I have tiagra 4600 on my bike. It shifts well but as it is the only groupset I have ridden I can't compare it to other shimano groupsets
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Re: Budget Groupsets
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby HLC » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:53 pm
I'm a Campag man personally, but for a cheap as chips commuter....
http://road.cc/content/news/77271-shima ... s-groupset" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby ironhanglider » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:18 pm
9 speed Tiagra is now out of date so NOS levers are relatively cheap. You can also use all those high end 9 speed NOS cassettes from both road and MTB, from that brief time when Shimano was compatible with itself.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TMjpn » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:15 pm
I like how the Tiagra 4600 is now 10 speed - and the crank seems to be good value for money ($100 for 890g or there abouts). I guess it's really the mech's that are an unknown quantity, so if anyone has a bike with them and can vouch for them i'd love to hear what you have to say.. I suppose they are pretty solid for a weekend run and the daily trundle down to work and back up the hill to home? Not too fussed about the weight or the whole poseur value of the group, more the functionality. I won't be ashamed to rock up to saturday brekkie runs with it cos if anything i'd try a little harder to flatter my ride So maybe I should hang on for a bit and save a bit more coin for a 4600 group from Ribble..
I guess I could go Sora if I can really tell myself I won't need that extra gear...
Its amazing how pricey a reasonable group is new... Tho I have seen the microshift stuff on bikes in the US pro tour... slowly it gains traction
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby jacks1071 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:24 pm
Absolutely best value for money you can get. First shipment should be here in around 2-weeks, its not up on our site yet so please contact me directly if you'd like to pre-order.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TDC » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:50 pm
Tiagra 4600 looks like it is re-badged 105 5600 series. If that's the case, then its good solid stuff.TMjpn wrote:Wow that Claris stuff looks pretty cool! I can think of many uses for that in a future build.
I like how the Tiagra 4600 is now 10 speed - and the crank seems to be good value for money ($100 for 890g or there abouts). I guess it's really the mech's that are an unknown quantity, so if anyone has a bike with them and can vouch for them i'd love to hear what you have to say.. I suppose they are pretty solid for a weekend run and the daily trundle down to work and back up the hill to home? Not too fussed about the weight or the whole poseur value of the group, more the functionality. I won't be ashamed to rock up to saturday brekkie runs with it cos if anything i'd try a little harder to flatter my ride So maybe I should hang on for a bit and save a bit more coin for a 4600 group from Ribble..
I guess I could go Sora if I can really tell myself I won't need that extra gear...
Its amazing how pricey a reasonable group is new... Tho I have seen the microshift stuff on bikes in the US pro tour... slowly it gains traction
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby Jonno » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:01 am
http://www.shop-yishunbike.com/componen ... groupset-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
they sell brake sets also:
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:44 pm
My old Fondriest had 5600 on it. Very good, EXCEPT for the fact that the shifters ate the cables. They bend them too tight around the drum, and the cable eventually frays, sending shift quality to hell. If you don't change the cable, it will eventually snap and you will have to extract the frayed cable end from the shifter, which I cannot imagine is easy... If you're happy to replace your cables every few months, it's not an issue.TDC wrote:Tiagra 4600 looks like it is re-badged 105 5600 series. If that's the case, then its good solid stuff.TMjpn wrote:Wow that Claris stuff looks pretty cool! I can think of many uses for that in a future build.
I like how the Tiagra 4600 is now 10 speed - and the crank seems to be good value for money ($100 for 890g or there abouts). I guess it's really the mech's that are an unknown quantity, so if anyone has a bike with them and can vouch for them i'd love to hear what you have to say.. I suppose they are pretty solid for a weekend run and the daily trundle down to work and back up the hill to home? Not too fussed about the weight or the whole poseur value of the group, more the functionality. I won't be ashamed to rock up to saturday brekkie runs with it cos if anything i'd try a little harder to flatter my ride So maybe I should hang on for a bit and save a bit more coin for a 4600 group from Ribble..
I guess I could go Sora if I can really tell myself I won't need that extra gear...
Its amazing how pricey a reasonable group is new... Tho I have seen the microshift stuff on bikes in the US pro tour... slowly it gains traction
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby Dan » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:38 pm
What's the indicative pricing Dion?jacks1071 wrote: Absolutely best value for money you can get.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TDC » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:51 pm
I think you have just had an unfortunate experience. I have had a 5600 groupset since 2007 and have not had the issues you have had. Have never changed the cables.GeoffInBrisbane wrote:
My old Fondriest had 5600 on it. Very good, EXCEPT for the fact that the shifters ate the cables. They bend them too tight around the drum, and the cable eventually frays, sending shift quality to hell. If you don't change the cable, it will eventually snap and you will have to extract the frayed cable end from the shifter, which I cannot imagine is easy... If you're happy to replace your cables every few months, it's not an issue.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby simonn » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:56 pm
If you are going cheap... I've got a S/H set of Sora 3400 shifters and a Microshift 34.9mm clamp 9spd double front der for sale if you are interested $80 and $10 respectively.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby Ozkaban » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:00 pm
My brother rides microshift and he rates them well too.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TMjpn » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:12 pm
Mind you, that with all the google searches I've done the last few days about Tiagra and how it goes, I've read nothing but people telling others to just stump up for 105 or ultegra without actually having run Tiagra - but the opposite here is true. It's very refreshing to have true, decent and constructive opinions on the cheaper mech groups on the market here on BNA, opposed to someone bashing on about how much better it is to spend more money. I'm just looking forward to building up my shiny new Merida into a sub 9kg, sub $800 ride and punching out many K's
I don't think it's so much the group that defines the ride. I've got a buddy on an old Sora'd up LeMond that comes on saturdays and still keeps a good clip of pace (and beats a few guys on slightly more fancy bikes while he's at it).
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby jacks1071 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:43 pm
$250-$300 for both levers and both mech, Australian stock with backup etc, you know the drillDan wrote:What's the indicative pricing Dion?jacks1071 wrote: Absolutely best value for money you can get.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby TMjpn » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:18 pm
Ideal with Shimano SRAM Cranksets and cassettes - but only compatible with Shimano mechs. For instance you can run Mshift with a shimano DR, but not a SRAM DR.TDC wrote:Is Microshift Shimano/SRAM or Campag compatible (cassettes/chains etc)?
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Budget Groupsets
Postby Dan » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:56 am
Are you sure you're talking about this BNA?TMjpn wrote:
It's very refreshing to have true, decent and constructive opinions on the cheaper mech groups on the market here on BNA, opposed to someone bashing on about how much better it is to spend more money.
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Re: Budget Groupsets
Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:00 pm
Odd. I was doing RD cables every 3000ish km, and I've heard of others finding the same thing. If it works alright for you though, awesome!TDC wrote:I think you have just had an unfortunate experience. I have had a 5600 groupset since 2007 and have not had the issues you have had. Have never changed the cables.GeoffInBrisbane wrote:
My old Fondriest had 5600 on it. Very good, EXCEPT for the fact that the shifters ate the cables. They bend them too tight around the drum, and the cable eventually frays, sending shift quality to hell. If you don't change the cable, it will eventually snap and you will have to extract the frayed cable end from the shifter, which I cannot imagine is easy... If you're happy to replace your cables every few months, it's not an issue.
I should also add that in every other respect, I found 5600 to be excellent. Prefer the shape of the hoods and levers to 5700 (which is on my wife's bike) too.
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