i'd buy a donor bike from ebay or gumtreeStudio81 wrote:Hi guys, thanks for this thread! I took my fathers Double XX into a bike store to get some advice on restoration and they said it wasn't worth restoring. Apparently it needs a new chain/cassette/chain rings, bearings, front axle, brake levers, pads and cable set and seat. I do want to give it a shot because my Dad is not well but this is new to me and don't know where to begin to source appropriate parts or second hand alternatives. Major learning curve.. Any advice heaps appreciated!
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby munga » Tue May 21, 2013 7:31 am
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Tue May 21, 2013 7:49 am
Chain- $12 (you can find cheaper this was just the first that came up) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KMC-Z51-1-2- ... 43b95dd271" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cassette, depends whether it is actually a cassette or a screw on freewheel, and how many cogs but you're looking about $20-30.
Depending on the model of cranks, the chainrings may or may not be replaceable, in any case you can get some old double cranks off a bike on hard rubbish, or off ebay for $20.
The bearings, brake pads and front axle are available anywhere and cost next to nothing for brand new stuff, again you can just strip parts off a thrown out bike if you want.
Cables are cheap as chips, say $15 for a full set.
Bike shops often have a bargain bin of 2nd hand saddles that customers have swapped out from new bikes and you're looking $10-20.
And for the brake levers, they may mean the levers as a whole, or just the rubber hoods. Generic replacement hoods that will fit the majority of levers are easily available, the last time I got a pair through a local bike shop I think it cost $10, maybe a bit more, or you could just buy a whole new lever, either old style Dia-Compe (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Diacompe-Non ... 2c61ce5d94" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) or newer style Tektro (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tektro-RL340 ... 20ce3e8a6f" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).
I have both types on bikes I ride regularly and while the Tektros are more comfortable for me, either will do the job.
So all up you're looking maybe $120, which sounds pretty cheap to me for fixing up your dad's bike. I restored my dad's old bike last year and it cost that much just to get a couple of parts rechromed, but it was worth every cent when he saw the finished product.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby Studio81 » Wed May 22, 2013 11:45 pm
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Thu May 23, 2013 8:41 am
Before doing any stripping, bear in mind that the silver tips on the frame and forks are chrome plating, if they are still in good shape, be really careful to protect them, as rechroming is very expensive. If those areas are showing rust, a light rub with maroon scotchbrite pads can clean them up, but if there is pitting and flaking then it can be difficult to get it all off, and I don't actually know the best way to go about that.
It's hard to tell from the photo as I can't zoom in enough, but it looks like your cranks may have replaceable chainrings, in which case you can just unbolt them and bolt on new ones. Probably still cheaper to just swap them for another whole crankset but the option is there.
As for checking the cassette and chainrings for wear, what you're looking for is something like the 'shark fin' shape on this-
And hopefully it doesn't look like this
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Thu May 23, 2013 8:50 am
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby elantra » Thu May 23, 2013 1:05 pm
The XX is a lovely frame, definitely worth restoration back to roadworthiness.Studio81 wrote:Thanks for the quick advice. Now to strip it back and paint the frame. They suggested the cassette would need replacing along with the chain and that the attachment type would be hard to come by so in the meantime I might try replacing the chain only and see how it shifts through gears. Here's a before image of the bike. Looking forward to seeing how it comes up
It is quite a light frame, with long wheelbase.
Are you sure that it needs to be repainted ?
I have a XX and think it is a nice machine from that era (late 1970's)
Almost certainly yours has 27 inch wheels.
You can buy some old 1980's 700C wheels and run them on this frame - much easier to get good tyres this way.
But you will need to adjust the brakepads because 700C wheels are slightly smaller radius.
Also 1980's wheels are usually 126 mm wide between the outer axle bolts and your XX wheel will probably be 120mm wide across the back axle.
Making it all work will take a little ingenuity and would probably be easier in a capital city where old bike nuts have swap and sell get-togethers.
Probably the biggest headache with these older bikes is getting reasonably good braking function.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby Studio81 » Sun May 26, 2013 5:17 pm
Cheers!
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby LG » Sun May 26, 2013 5:32 pm
At a pinch you can file the wider spline on 4 of the cogs of a new 8 speed cassette to possibly make them fit the freehub body (google Sheldon brown and uniglide cassettes), but will need to retain the existing small cog and hope it isn't worn as it also works as a lockring for the cassette cogs.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Sun May 26, 2013 8:21 pm
Those chainrings are definitely removable, so it's just a matter of finding some chainrings with the same bolt pattern, i'd take those chainrings off and go to the local tip to see if they have a bike there with compatible unworn chainrings. Shouldn't be difficult.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby oldschoolbikes » Thu May 30, 2013 9:47 am
Hi, Lovely old bikes. Were you at Pucka about 4 years ago?stnfldr wrote:I have had a few Malvern Stars over the past few years.
This was the first bike I restored, and now I see it.... lol, I wish I had of kept the original pain job! still. I learned a lot stripping it and rebuilding it.
The next Malvern Star I restored was already in pretty good shape, I was quite happy with the way this one turned out.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby elantra » Fri May 31, 2013 10:41 am
Feel free to send as many PM questions as you like, but you will probably get more opinions if your questions are public in this thread of the forum, or in the "Shed thread".Studio81 wrote:Here's the freewheel design. It's '79 by the date stamp on shimano components.What's your opinion on wear of the sprockets and chainrings? The bike store advised that all should be replaced together and couldn't assist because this type of freewheel attachment is no longer manufactured. Elantra, I wish I didn't have to paint but the current paintwork is stripping away and there's a fair bit of rust. Originally recommended to bead blast and powdercoat but now I might do as ldrcycles suggested, protect the chrome parts, hand sand and paint with closest to original colour. To save this thread being barraged with how-to questions, can I PM you guys if needed?
Cheers!
The chainrings may be relatively worn but they will almost certainly be rather standard and easy to source replacement rings.
Most bike shops will have "130mm BCD" chainrings available most commonly 39 or 42 tooth inner chainring and 52 or 53 tooth outer chainring.
Personally i prefer smaller chainrings but that is personal preference.
If you can't get them at a decent price from local bike store there is a vast selection of this stuff available from the usual internet sites, Wiggle, bikeexchange etc.
Not always easy to get chainrings off - and beware those teeth can bite !
The Freewheel - hard to say how worn the cogs are from photo but to me it looks like the little ones are in perfect condition but the bigger ones have done all the work and are very worn.
If this is an obselete type of hub then probably the simplest thing is to get a more modern wheel (probably from the 1980's) and use that.
You can still buy wheels that take screw-on freewheels, and screw-on freewheels are still available new.
But they will probably 126mm width from outer edge locknut to locknut.
Admittedly all this stuff probably easier to do in Brisbane than Darwin though.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby Axle » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:46 pm
Running Shimano derailleurs, just needs a few tweaks.
Not much done, new tyres, bar tape and pads.
Not a nice as my Ricardo though
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby godea » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:59 pm
hitchhiker I am doing up a malvern star one star "ultrasport" (30+years old) can you give me a few clues on how to fit the shimano tourney rear deraileur hanger it has a recessed round nut that fits into the hanger but I can't work our where to anchor the hanger on the frame ?ldrcycles wrote:hitchhiker, that is purdy . I actually picked up a Sportif in a nice grey-blue a few weeks back, only for parts though the frame was destroyed . Did yours have a sticker on the seat tube saying TI industries Dynalloy?
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby hitchhiker » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:51 pm
Hi, I don't think I'm the best person to help you, I don't have any experience with a tourney rear deraileur. Post a picture, there is sure to be someone on here that can helpgodea wrote:hitchhiker I am doing up a malvern star one star "ultrasport" (30+years old) can you give me a few clues on how to fit the shimano tourney rear deraileur hanger it has a recessed round nut that fits into the hanger but I can't work our where to anchor the hanger on the frame ?ldrcycles wrote:hitchhiker, that is purdy . I actually picked up a Sportif in a nice grey-blue a few weeks back, only for parts though the frame was destroyed . Did yours have a sticker on the seat tube saying TI industries Dynalloy?
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby godea » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:09 pm
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:23 pm
I've got half a dozen of those derailleurs in the shed and I commuted on a Roadmaster with Tourney derailleurs for a while. Nothing special but they get the job done and you would have to be the Hulk to break one .godea wrote:No worries, I will post a photo and hopefully someone will have some experience with this deraileur
Bung a photo up to confirm that what i'm thinking of is what you're actually referring to .
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby MarkGN » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:37 pm
Some of you may have seen my post over the last day or two under 'Raleigh Medale & Malvern Star 'Oppy'.
It would appear from advise/tips from members and my own delving, the MS I was given is late 1956 built.
Out of interest are there any images of period sales literature of the bike or do any members have a similar bike?
Regards MarkGN
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby TheFlite » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:28 pm
I've joined the forum after lurking for a while because tonight I picked up what I hope turns out to be a nice eBay find - a Malvern Star Flite One Star in what looks to be fully original condition. I bought it with the intention of replacing components and turning it into a solid commuter, but it seems so original and virtually unused that now I'm not so sure. Anyway, plenty of time to decide what to do.
Here's a pic (I'm not sure how I post photos?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theflite/10067321405/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've set up a Flickr account for the restoration/rebuild/conversion/whatever I decide, so more photos are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/theflite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any information that you Malvern Star experts/lovers can provide on my new hobby will be very welcome. What year is it, for starters?!
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby Gordonhooker » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:45 pm
It looks to be in really good condition - you look like you are onto a winner with this one.TheFlite wrote:Evening all. New user, first post etc.
I've joined the forum after lurking for a while because tonight I picked up what I hope turns out to be a nice eBay find - a Malvern Star Flite One Star in what looks to be fully original condition. I bought it with the intention of replacing components and turning it into a solid commuter, but it seems so original and virtually unused that now I'm not so sure. Anyway, plenty of time to decide what to do.
Here's a pic (I'm not sure how I post photos?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theflite/10067321405/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've set up a Flickr account for the restoration/rebuild/conversion/whatever I decide, so more photos are here http://www.flickr.com/photos/theflite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Any information that you Malvern Star experts/lovers can provide on my new hobby will be very welcome. What year is it, for starters?!
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby Gordonhooker » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:13 pm
rollin wrote:My old roadster..
Very nice that would be a pleasure to own.
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby TheFlite » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:33 pm
Thanks for the kind words. Since my last post I've taken the bike into Campione Cycles Geelong who said they'd be surprised if the bike had ever covered more than 200km. Good to hear. No need to replace anything except the cables, apparently. I've ridden it a couple of times - just 2-3km each time to get a feel for what I'd like to upgrade/make safe. Braking is the obvious standout, but I measure the reach at 58mm, which seems to limit my choices somewhat. I also think I'll swap the brake levers (i.e. get rid of the upright levers) and am keen to switch from stem shifters to downtube shifters because that's what I had on my previous road bike in 1987 (a Raleigh Pursuit) and I'm all nostalgic for it.Gordonhooker wrote:It looks to be in really good condition - you look like you are onto a winner with this one.
I still don't know what year the bike is but I'm estimating early- to mid-80s based on the Skylark rear derailleur. Any advice from the gurus is welcomed, because if possible I'll buy upgrade parts true to the year (e.g. arabesque or post-arabesque).
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby rkelsen » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:51 pm
Late 80s/early 90s.TheFlite wrote:Any information that you Malvern Star experts/lovers can provide on my new hobby will be very welcome. What year is it, for starters?!
It will make a good commuter, but you wouldn't want to spend much on it.
Read this guide: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33573
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby bicyclepassion » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:42 am
Warren
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby TheFlite » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:25 pm
Disassembled most of the bike over the weekend to begin to clean it up. The front derailleur has FD-AX50 and JE, which dates it as 1985/May according to this: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Japan/ ... _codes.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I guess that puts the bike's age as sometime in late '85 or early '86. Thanks for the tip Warren.bicyclepassion wrote:The shimano derailleurs on the Flite should have a date code on them, a tiny two letter code. Year and month represented by a letter. This will be a close indication of when the bike was made.
Re the disassembly, so far I've removed the saddle and seat post, brake levers, cables and calipers and the shifter levers, cables and front derailleur at a total weight of just under 1.6kg. Plus another 50g of dirt
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Re: Malvern Star Appreciation Society
Postby wqlava1 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:50 pm
I'm about to do the big clean-up on it. White pearl powder coat will be as good as it needs for paint, but I'd like to get the writing correct. I have an acquaintance who is a very good signwriter and will perhaps redo the lettering in paint. He has painted a couple of my sons' fixies very well over the years.
Unlike the picture of the 1985 model in this link
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30174" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
the writing should be all mid-blue, and the "Malvern Star" on the downtube should be in the older cursive script. Do any of you have photos of the Malvern Star logo on a downtube from 1984 or very close in cursive script? Do you have better directly side-on pictures of the "Elite" on the TT?
There's this Excel on eBay at the moment with similar lettering (albeit filled in with yellow) on the TT but eBay stops me from copying the photo. Is there a way of copying it for my signwriter mate?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/151150423985 ... 1423.l2649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
thanks in advance...
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