List of Australian bike brands
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List of Australian bike brands
Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:14 pm
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:20 pm
Beretto- made by Brett Richardson in Albion
Hoffy, also sold under the maker's name Eric Hendren (Hoffy Cycles was established in 1928)- Sandgate
Rocket- made by Jack Pesch in Normanby
Joco and Frezoni- made by Joe Cosgrove in Brisbane
Tom Wallace, most often branded as Tom Wallace Special, some were not made by him but were other bikes repainted/rebuilt by him. The store in Lutwyche was established in 1927.
Van Werkhoven- made on the Gold Coast by Andrew Van Werkhoven
SorenSon- made on the Gold Coast
Advance- sold by Advance Cycle Traders in Brisbane (I don't know much about them but I learnt to ride on an Advance kids step through of 60s-70s vintage)
The King- made by Syd King in Brisbane
Llewellyn- made by Darrell McCulloch in Brisbane and most are painted by Joe Cosgrove
Guthries Bicycles- This company was located at Stafford during the seventies, and sold bikes under the Guthrie name, as well as Local and Ashby. I know Ashby and Local go back further than that (Ashby to around 1930) but don't know if they were separate businesses that were bought out by Guthries. Sometime in the late 70s the business was sold and then traded as Cycles Australia (they were distributors for Peugeot bikes at some stage) and the Guthrie name was replaced by Madison.
Kangaroo- apparently made by a Tom Sheppard in the 30s?
There is a transcript online of an interview with Vic Loetzsch who owned Silver King Cyclery in Ipswich, he states that he sold Bannit Cycles (along with Malvern Star and Guthrie bikes) and that they made bicycles themselves at one stage, but doesn't mention what name they were sold under. He also mentions Golebys and Bobby Dowse as the othe cycle dealers in Ipswich.
EDIT: added link to interview http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/documents ... istory.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for the rest of the state, I haven't been able to find any information on local builders but I would have to assume there would have been some, especially in northern queensland due to the tyranny of distance.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Ditch35 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:56 pm
Bon Ton - Ipswich??
Cobra - Toowoomba
The Burnett - Bundaberg
The Bridge or Bridge Bicycles - were made under the story bridge??
Will add more soon
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Torana68 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:35 pm
edit.... also this list on here viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20607
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:09 pm
Well like I said, the Museum one might not be around much longer, and the ozpushies one (which I didn't know about) is only visible if you join the group.Torana68 wrote:I dont know how many lists are out there already, there is the Bicycle Museum one , the Ozpushies one]
I had seen the Sydney list, though it didn't show up when I tried searching earlier today. You can never have too much info on older bikes, it's only a matter of time before the people with first hand knowledge aren't around anymore.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Tinker » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:28 pm
I agree, too much of our cycling history is lost forever already.ldrcycles wrote:Well like I said, the Museum one might not be around much longer, and the ozpushies one (which I didn't know about) is only visible if you join the group.Torana68 wrote:I dont know how many lists are out there already, there is the Bicycle Museum one , the Ozpushies one]
I had seen the Sydney list, though it didn't show up when I tried searching earlier today. You can never have too much info on older bikes, it's only a matter of time before the people with first hand knowledge aren't around anymore.
Better to try and record some of it now while there are still people around with memories or connections to the cycling past.
Once it's gone, you'll never have the chance to get it back.
Look at a major brand like Malvern Star as an example, all it's records were lost and all that's left is a few people trying to piece together it's past through serial numbers provided by cycling enthusiasts.
Keep up the good work!
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby redrover3 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:25 pm
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Torana68 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:43 am
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby hiflange » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:15 pm
There are already people all over the country with partial lists. In my limited experience many of them are dedicated retirees with great powers of memory but little print or internet know how. The chances of these lists being consolidated and published in any form are low.
The 'net provides some useful and cheap tools for creating and publishing data. A forum, while free, is a profoundly inappropriate place to compile a list. The data simply gets polluted by conversation and ultimately it just doesn't make a useful reference.
Wikipedia seems like it would be a great place to collect the information. The great benefit is that submitted information can be refined by other users. The downside is that creating a sortable table would take some energy and the user experience for contributor is a bit of an obstacle. Referencing entries would be difficult in many cases as well.
In helping get the WAHCC website up I used a Google Drive spreadsheet for a register of an important WA manufacturer's frames. The site itself has a submission form that reports to a second spreadsheet. Data is checked and a subset of submitted data is published (personal identifying data is excluded). You can see it in operation here. The number of submissions is low and the checking of data is easy to manage.
Based on the info in this thread I've set up a similar spreadsheet for Australian Bike Makers & Shops here. It has a submission form here. There is no checking of data so it's susceptible to garbage in. Apparently data sorting in google docs spreadsheets is buggy, I can't sort the sheet by shop name at the moment.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby ldrcycles » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:22 pm
Robert my reason for starting a thread on this is so that it will show up in google searches, it makes the info more easily accessible. The googledoc you linked to is a great layout, very clear and easy to read (certainly more so than posts on a thread) I think the best compromise is having a thread like this with links to that spreadsheet.
On the Queensland list, I've just remembered Technicomps on the Gold Coast. From what I can find, it was set up in 1989 by an engineer called Peter Schwarzel backed by the well known southern frame builder John Abeni (of Abeni and Europa cycles). When Europa went into receivership in late 91 Technicomps was bought out and renamed Genesis.
More info at this link (Peter Schwarzel's website, he is still an engineer) http://carbon-works.com.au/about/interests/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Johnj » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:28 pm
The real weakness of my list is that I often couldn't find the brand names the bikes were sold under. Still, my research punctured a few myths and firmed up a lot of dates. Nice to see other people plugging away at it. State-based research seems to work best as there was very little crossover between the different states, with the obvious exceptions of big brands like Malvern Sar, Speedwell, Healing, Repco etc.ldrcycles wrote:I had seen the Sydney list, though it didn't show up when I tried searching earlier today. You can never have too much info on older bikes, it's only a matter of time before the people with first hand knowledge aren't around anymore.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby DavidS » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 am
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby frog » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:55 pm
Seems to have mostly worked w/ Reynolds
Kerry Hopkins - "Kerry Hopkins"
Seems to have mostly worked w/ Reynolds
Both nice light frames
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby hiflange » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:10 pm
Drawing a line between what's accepted and what's ignored is a harder question.
The rules for lists in Wikipedia demand that a certain percentage of the list items are referenced (is it 60%?, can't remember, shoulda written it down ) Referencing is work and it will only be done for valuable/popular data. Brain dumps don't make the grade. At the other end of the scale you just accept all offered data, store it in an accessible form and let someone else worry about what's useful. To be blunt grab the data before it's 6 feet under and worry about it's value down the track.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:30 pm
RobertFrith wrote: A handwritten list pinned to a garage wall in outer Mongolia less so.
and I was looking in outer Tibet last month for the list
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby ldrcycles » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:14 pm
Just remembered another one, Hulme Industries of Clontarf, they made BMX bikes branded as H-I Racing.
From what I remember of what a bloke told me a few years ago, they made 6 junior race bikes (he believed there were 3 surviving, including the one I owned until recently), about 10 regular size BMXs and a dozen or so cruisers.
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Re: List of Australian bike brands
Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:14 pm
The Ipswich built bicycles were Bon-Ton. Found one today and stumbled in this thread while looking into this this bike's history. Not alot available unfortunately.ldrcycles wrote:Ok Queensland first.
Beretto- made by Brett Richardson in Albion
Hoffy, also sold under the maker's name Eric Hendren (Hoffy Cycles was established in 1928)- Sandgate
Rocket- made by Jack Pesch in Normanby
Joco and Frezoni- made by Joe Cosgrove in Brisbane
Tom Wallace, most often branded as Tom Wallace Special, some were not made by him but were other bikes repainted/rebuilt by him. The store in Lutwyche was established in 1927.
Van Werkhoven- made on the Gold Coast by Andrew Van Werkhoven
SorenSon- made on the Gold Coast
Advance- sold by Advance Cycle Traders in Brisbane (I don't know much about them but I learnt to ride on an Advance kids step through of 60s-70s vintage)
The King- made by Syd King in Brisbane
Llewellyn- made by Darrell McCulloch in Brisbane and most are painted by Joe Cosgrove
Guthries Bicycles- This company was located at Stafford during the seventies, and sold bikes under the Guthrie name, as well as Local and Ashby. I know Ashby and Local go back further than that (Ashby to around 1930) but don't know if they were separate businesses that were bought out by Guthries. Sometime in the late 70s the business was sold and then traded as Cycles Australia (they were distributors for Peugeot bikes at some stage) and the Guthrie name was replaced by Madison.
Kangaroo- apparently made by a Tom Sheppard in the 30s?
There is a transcript online of an interview with Vic Loetzsch who owned Silver King Cyclery in Ipswich, he states that he sold Bannit Cycles (along with Malvern Star and Guthrie bikes) and that they made bicycles themselves at one stage, but doesn't mention what name they were sold under. He also mentions Golebys and Bobby Dowse as the othe cycle dealers in Ipswich.
EDIT: added link to interview http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/documents ... istory.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for the rest of the state, I haven't been able to find any information on local builders but I would have to assume there would have been some, especially in northern queensland due to the tyranny of distance.
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Postby foo on patrol » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:31 pm
He was apprenticed to Robert Johnson when I had my Rapello made at Zillmere.ldrcycles wrote:Ok Queensland first.
Beretto- made by Brett Richardson in Albion
Hoffy, also sold under the maker's name Eric Hendren (Hoffy Cycles was established in 1928)- Sandgate
Rocket- made by Jack Pesch in Normanby
Joco and Frezoni- made by Joe Cosgrove in Brisbane
Tom Wallace, most often branded as Tom Wallace Special, some were not made by him but were other bikes repainted/rebuilt by him. The store in Lutwyche was established in 1927.
Van Werkhoven- made on the Gold Coast by Andrew Van Werkhoven
SorenSon- made on the Gold Coast
Advance- sold by Advance Cycle Traders in Brisbane (I don't know much about them but I learnt to ride on an Advance kids step through of 60s-70s vintage)
The King- made by Syd King in Brisbane
Llewellyn- made by Darrell McCulloch in Brisbane and most are painted by Joe Cosgrove
Guthries Bicycles- This company was located at Stafford during the seventies, and sold bikes under the Guthrie name, as well as Local and Ashby. I know Ashby and Local go back further than that (Ashby to around 1930) but don't know if they were separate businesses that were bought out by Guthries. Sometime in the late 70s the business was sold and then traded as Cycles Australia (they were distributors for Peugeot bikes at some stage) and the Guthrie name was replaced by Madison.
Kangaroo- apparently made by a Tom Sheppard in the 30s?
There is a transcript online of an interview with Vic Loetzsch who owned Silver King Cyclery in Ipswich, he states that he sold Bannit Cycles (along with Malvern Star and Guthrie bikes) and that they made bicycles themselves at one stage, but doesn't mention what name they were sold under. He also mentions Golebys and Bobby Dowse as the othe cycle dealers in Ipswich.
EDIT: added link to interview http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/documents ... istory.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for the rest of the state, I haven't been able to find any information on local builders but I would have to assume there would have been some, especially in northern queensland due to the tyranny of distance.
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