Is it time bicycles were registered?

Equipment and On Road Behaviour, Laws and Rules. Cycling Promotion and Advocacy

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby rkelsen » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:48 pm

Ross wrote:WIth vehicles it is easy to count them because they are registered but with bicycles it's a lot harder because they aren't registered.

http://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/general/bike-futures/30600/
User avatar
rkelsen
 
Posts: 4283
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:41 pm

by BNA » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:07 am

BNA
 

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby DavidS » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:07 am

Given the figures indicate a big increase in cycling numbers the fact that cycling fatalities and accidents are not going up indicates a lower accident rate for cyclists.

DS
Image

Riding: Cannondale Quick Speed 2
User avatar
DavidS
 
Posts: 1312
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:24 pm
Location: Melbourne

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Ross » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:26 am


:roll:
Image
User avatar
Ross
 
Posts: 3675
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:53 pm

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby rebilda » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:47 am

i risk my life everytime I ride on the road - will registering my bike help? or just make it easier to identify the body?
My Garage = Restored Paino - the "Fixie" - Giant Trance X2 - Azzurri Forza Pro Di2 - GT Avalanche 1 & 2
User avatar
rebilda
 
Posts: 250
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:08 pm
Location: Sydney

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby JohnJoyner » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:50 am

Ross wrote:
:roll:

Another slow news day.... It's like deja vu all over again...
And why are pedestrians worried... Maybe they shouldn't be wandering aimlessly across the road, against the traffic lights, without looking. :)
Num nuts blames the cycling fraternity for registration not ever going through... More like cost/benefit analysis done by governments perhaps.
Image
Focus Cayo 2.0 (2011) | Trek 7.5Fx (2007)
User avatar
JohnJoyner
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:07 am
Location: Sydney

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby VRE » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:22 pm

Ross wrote:
:roll:

So where was the bit where a cyclist broke the law? I couldn't really tell from the video, which appeared to show cyclists riding legally. Perhaps I missed the relevant few seconds.
User avatar
VRE
 
Posts: 582
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:14 am
Location: Ringwood North, VIC, Australia

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby wombatK » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:59 pm

No. Never. Not ever.

Sent from my GT-I9100T using Tapatalk 2
WombatK

Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us -Jerry Garcia
User avatar
wombatK
 
Posts: 5190
Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:08 pm
Location: Yagoona, AU

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby rebilda » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:22 pm

I liked Koshie's comment about these "Cyclists" who break the speed limit by up to 20kph - Wow!......even in a 40kph school zone, that is pretty impressive, (also fairly unlikely)....who writes his stuff??
My Garage = Restored Paino - the "Fixie" - Giant Trance X2 - Azzurri Forza Pro Di2 - GT Avalanche 1 & 2
User avatar
rebilda
 
Posts: 250
Joined: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:08 pm
Location: Sydney

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby rkelsen » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:56 pm

According to the report mentioned in the vote4cycling blog:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/infrastructure/mcu/urbanpolicy/active_travel/index.aspx

Cyclists deliver $1.43 in economic benefits per kilometre cycled!

That's my answer next time someone asks me why I shouldn't pay rego! I'm saving the government $12k per year... almost $43.5k in the past 4.25 years.
User avatar
rkelsen
 
Posts: 4283
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:41 pm

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby VRE » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:16 pm

rkelsen wrote:According to the report mentioned in the vote4cycling blog:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/infrastructure/mcu/urbanpolicy/active_travel/index.aspx

Cyclists deliver $1.43 in economic benefits per kilometre cycled!

That's my answer next time someone asks me why I shouldn't pay rego! I'm saving the government $12k per year... almost $43.5k in the past 4.25 years.

Same here (holds out hand) - c'mon guys, pay up! I want my cut! :evil:
User avatar
VRE
 
Posts: 582
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:14 am
Location: Ringwood North, VIC, Australia

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Mulger bill » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:21 pm

Deja Moo.
Same BS, different day.

I'll be happy to pay rego WHEN motor vehicle regulation moves to a full user pays model, the smokebox rego would be about 10% of now...
...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
London Boy 29/12/2011
User avatar
Mulger bill
Super Mod
Super Mod
 
Posts: 25567
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:41 pm
Location: Sunbury Vic

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby il padrone » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:29 pm

"Something needs to be done......."

Image
Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.
User avatar
il padrone
 
Posts: 18179
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:57 pm
Location: Heading for home.

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Percrime » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Wish we had troll registration. It could be the form of a congestion tax. For clogging up the interwebs.
Percrime
 
Posts: 967
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:41 am

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Cheesewheel » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:17 pm

actually I think it would be a good idea to head up some sort of (mock) bicycle registration organization. People could pay to get a little plastic sign (or upgrade to carbon fibre for serious enthusiasts) with a few random letters and numbers on it and they could stick it on their bike or jersey. The money raised could even be donated to some munificent bicycle charity.


Then apparently no pathological motorist would have anything to complain about or a legitimate excuse for elbow shaving you.

:wink:
GO!! Run!!! GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
User avatar
Cheesewheel
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:22 pm
Location: GoldCoast Qld

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby cowled » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:33 pm

Cheesewheel wrote:
Then apparently no pathological motorist would have anything to complain about or a legitimate excuse for elbow shaving you.

:wink:


Sorry cheese but there is NO "legitimate excuse for elbow shaving". Not even a little bit! What a silly thing to say.

I have given some thought to putting a little sign on the back of my new bike with a little camera symbol and a smiley face. I'm guessing that the only real motivation a bogan would have for giving me some room is if they thought their actions might be on camera.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
cowled
 
Posts: 307
Joined: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:33 am

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:36 pm

That Kochie guy is such a total tool. The guy riding the Furphy tank should use him to tighten the wheel nuts :twisted:

Ahh, here it is - Heckler & Koch Multi-tool - ugly beast eh??

Image
Last edited by il padrone on Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:37 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.
User avatar
il padrone
 
Posts: 18179
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:57 pm
Location: Heading for home.

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Cheesewheel » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:06 pm

cowled wrote:
Cheesewheel wrote:
Then apparently no pathological motorist would have anything to complain about or a legitimate excuse for elbow shaving you.

:wink:


Sorry cheese but there is NO "legitimate excuse for elbow shaving". Not even a little bit! What a silly thing to say.

I have given some thought to putting a little sign on the back of my new bike with a little camera symbol and a smiley face. I'm guessing that the only real motivation a bogan would have for giving me some room is if they thought their actions might be on camera.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

sorry I didn't mean to suggest it was (especially in light of your recent experience) .

My comments were more along the lines of actually complying to the (absurd) demand of registering cyclists as some measure to (suppoosedly) insure their safety ..... since even in youtube discussions that surround your recent incident you have this hackneyed argument resurfacing as if it bears some relevence to events at hand.

BTW I too have thought about posting a sign like you suggest (and have even had a road rager back down once he was aware he was on film) ... but I feel it might actually increase motivate them to yell and scream when passing , even if it inspires them to refrain from more blatant displays of dangerous/illegal behaviour
GO!! Run!!! GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
User avatar
Cheesewheel
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:22 pm
Location: GoldCoast Qld

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby il padrone » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:13 pm

Cheesewheel wrote:BTW I too have thought about posting a sign like you suggest (and have even had a road rager back down once he was aware he was on film) ... but I feel it might actually increase motivate them to yell and scream when passing , even if it inspires them to refrain from more blatant displays of dangerous/illegal behaviour

Image
Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.
User avatar
il padrone
 
Posts: 18179
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:57 pm
Location: Heading for home.

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby cowled » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:23 pm

Cheesewheel wrote:sorry I didn't mean to suggest it was (especially in light of your recent experience) .

My comments were more along the lines of actually complying to the (absurd) demand of registering cyclists as some measure to (suppoosedly) insure their safety


Fair enough. Should have given you the benefit of the doubt. The 'no rego - no road' argument is inherently flawed and yet people always bring it up as a reason why bicycles shouldn't be on the road.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
cowled
 
Posts: 307
Joined: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:33 am

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby briztoon » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:32 pm

If bicycle registration was economically viable, it would have been introduced many moons ago by every State and Territory in Australia. The fact that it hasn't speaks for itself.


My email to the Sunrise team, not that I expect it to go anywhere.


Dear Sunrise team.

Could you please do a balanced segment on bicycle registration and bicycle use in Australia.

All the current media campaign against "lycra clad" cyclists is doing, is making it more dangerous on the roads for cyclists.

All it does is give the bogans and road rage nutters out there a perceived green light to intimidate and attack cyclists as they believe the Australian media is on their side and legitimising their actions..

Instead of inviting some media industry types to comment, who at best can only provide anecdotal evidence that can not be supported by any real facts or statistics, why don't you invite some proper experts in to comment and discus topics such as; road cycling laws, registration and why it hasn't been introduced, who is at fault for most bicycle versus cars accidents, the cost benefits of cycling and the impact on future urban road projects, Australian road culture compared to countries where the road culture is cycling inclusive, and finally the real statistics and costs of Australia's yearly road toll and vehicular offences.

You could run a week long series with a different topic each day.

Surely if bicycle registration was feasible, an Australian Federal or State government would have introduced it a long time ago.

Here's some reading material.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 18330.html

http://www.smh.com.au/national/bike-rid ... 2qxdg.html

http://www.anzpaa.org.au/current-initia ... aster-2013

http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/petroltax.shtml
Last edited by briztoon on Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:15 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Image
briztoon
 
Posts: 1236
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:15 am
Location: Belmont, Brisbane

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby trailgumby » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:01 pm

Percrime wrote:Wish we had troll registration. It could be the form of a congestion tax. For clogging up the interwebs.

Gold! QFT :)
"People have a right to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Evidence must be located, not created, and opinions not backed by evidence cannot be given much weight." -- James W Loewen

http://www.facebook.com/Drive2WorkDay
User avatar
trailgumby
 
Posts: 10201
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:30 pm
Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby cowled » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:11 pm

Ross wrote:
:roll:


And this is why I didn't want to do a story with Channel 7.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
cowled
 
Posts: 307
Joined: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:33 am

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby kb » Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:24 pm

I thinking it would be good to have a number plate the other day. Bolted onto a steel rod sticking 1.5m out the RHS.
Image
User avatar
kb
 
Posts: 802
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:22 pm

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby Cheesewheel » Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:06 pm

il padrone wrote:
Cheesewheel wrote:BTW I too have thought about posting a sign like you suggest (and have even had a road rager back down once he was aware he was on film) ... but I feel it might actually increase motivate them to yell and scream when passing , even if it inspires them to refrain from more blatant displays of dangerous/illegal behaviour

Image

In my experience the polite jacket works as a stronger semiotic tool to deliver a desired result.
:wink:
GO!! Run!!! GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
User avatar
Cheesewheel
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:22 pm
Location: GoldCoast Qld

Re: Is it time bicycles were registered?

Postby JohnJoyner » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:50 am

kb wrote:I thinking it would be good to have a number plate the other day. Bolted onto a steel rod sticking 1.5m out the RHS.

Love it...
Image
Focus Cayo 2.0 (2011) | Trek 7.5Fx (2007)
User avatar
JohnJoyner
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:07 am
Location: Sydney

PreviousNext

Return to Cycling Safety and Advocacy

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users



Popular Bike Shops
Torpedo 7 Torpedo7 AU
Ground Effect Ground Effect NZ
Chain Reaction Cycles CRC UK
Wiggle Wiggle UK
Ebay Ebay AU



InTouch with BNA
“Bicycles BNA Twitter
“Bicycles BNA Facebook
“Google+ BNA Google+
“Bicycles BNA Newsletter