Which wheel material will be best
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Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:09 pm
I haven't really spent much money on my Fuji bike in the last two years and so I'm thinking of upgrading my wheels. Currently using Mavic Aksium which weight about 1800gm
I have had it locked in my head that the next step is to go carbon but now I have no idea which way to go. Carbon, aluminium or Carbon with Alu brake track
I can get a pair of 50mm clinchers, 23mm wide, 1600 grams for about $450
Or 50mm clinchers 1450 grams for $610 (including delivery etc)
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A pair of aluminium Zonda wheels, 1550 grams for $450
Like I said I ride a mixture of hills and flats and the more I read the more confused I'm getting! Advice please
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby reefer » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:14 pm
I ride about 200-250km per week on my Shimano RS500 wheels. They run true and go around. Sure, they feel a bit heavier than when I took a Giant defy advanced for a test ride, but you know, I ride for exercise, and my 105 level bike does the job.
Really, from what others have already said in your other thread, there really is not any value at all in upgrading for the purposes you describe in my opinion.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:20 pm
I hear what you're saying but what else am I going to get for my birthday
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby cyclotaur » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:38 pm
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby jacks1071 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:55 pm
Most bikes, even expensive ones often come with pretty average wheels straight out of the box.cyclotaur wrote:Ride what you have for another year (or two)... then buy a whole new bike during the TdF sales.
If I'm buying a new bike I always get the shop to deduct the cost of the wheels from the price so I can use the ones I want.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby nickobec » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:04 pm
+1jacks1071 wrote:
Most bikes, even expensive ones often come with pretty average wheels straight out of the box.
If I'm buying a new bike I always get the shop to deduct the cost of the wheels from the price so I can use the ones I want.
2nd best upgrade you can do for your ride is a new set of wheels
1st is a new & good set of tyres
Surprised how many good bikes come with pretty average wheels & tyres out the box
I am happy flogging a 3 year Fuji SL pro (that is the base model) with a cheap light carbon wheels and good german rubber around a race track
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Dimis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:31 am
I say treat yourself and go for the lightest possible alloy/scandium wheelset your happy to part funds for (provided of course the bearings run smoothly).
Aero is over-rated at normal non-race speed. Most amertures don't travel fast enough for long enough to enjoy the full benefits.
The nay sayers will say don't bother with the spend. Those iornmen can keep riding their brick wheels as long as they like, but I've found a wheel upgrade is most enjoyable, to the point where I'm often riding tubulars just for fun
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby KL. » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:59 am
So perhaps CF but Zondas are nice wheels with good hubs, but then 50mm CF aero rims are a nice way to go (as long as the hubs/bearings are decent).
Although, for the price you have mentioned I guess you could replace them after a couple of years or once the sealed bearings are worn out
Better wheels are always nice to ride on
thanks KL
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby mikesbytes » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:51 am
Brand name alloy wheels are likely to be more reliable than no name carbon wheels.
I've raced on Reynolds carbon wheels, about 10mm deeper than my Eastern alloy wheels (1,550gms) and while I could feel the difference its not a lot, just a little more aero.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:15 am
Dimis wrote:Personal question: how much do you weigh?
I say treat yourself and go for the lightest possible alloy/scandium wheelset your happy to part funds for (provided of course the bearings run smoothly).
I weigh 70kg (154lb)
Thanks for your thoughts guys. One day I lock in Carbon wheels then the next day I say Alu wheels!! I am starting to think that Carbon might just be to much long term effort for the amount of riding I do. If i can get a set of alu wheels which are the same weight as CF wheels then the only thing I'm loosing is a little bit of Aerodynamics. At what speed does Aerodynamics really start to make a difference?
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby wizzfizz » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:58 pm
Lighter and better rolling than the Ultegra-spec wheels I upgraded from (RS-20s from memory)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:48 pm
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby biker jk » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:04 pm
RS20s aren't Ultegra spec and they cost around $150 versus $450 for the Braccianos. A bit of an apples and oranges comparison. The RS80 C24s are a direct competitor. Ultegra spec hubs and light rims.wizzfizz wrote:Get a set of Pro-Lite Braccianos from jacks1071, the black suits most bikes but I went silver just to be different
Lighter and better rolling than the Ultegra-spec wheels I upgraded from (RS-20s from memory)
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Derny Driver » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:28 pm
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Dimis » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:10 pm
At 70kgs you can get away with a very light, and low spoke count set.
I'd probably recommend some 38mm carbon clinches for the riding you described.
Or as I suggested earlier the lightest alloy or scandium set you can find within your budget.
50mm may unnerve you in crosswinds with your light build..?
This may be something you can learn to live with.
Unless you are averaging around 30km/h then the aero advantage, while there, would probably be negligible.
...and it's plenty of fun spinning up light wheels, and even more fun dropping off those with oversized expensive wheels on the hills.
Either way enjoy.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby g-boaf » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:21 pm
50mm are not too bad in cross winds - I'm only 60kg and don't have troubles with them. But for ordinary riding, they are not really any benefit. You could get a nice light set of alloy wheels and do better.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:27 pm
One thing to consider is that when buying the alu wheels, such as the Pro lites, you have confidence in what you are getting but with the Chinese CF wheels you can't be sure
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Dimis » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:12 am
Agreed, no one "needs" carbon wheels.g-boaf wrote:I don't see the need for those carbon wheels.
50mm are not too bad in cross winds - I'm only 60kg and don't have troubles with them. But for ordinary riding, they are not really any benefit. You could get a nice light set of alloy wheels and do better.
But be honest, they look damn sexy and they are "usually" lighter in those sizes anyway which makes 'em quicker up a hill.
Just saying.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby bollo » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:29 am
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby toppity » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:44 am
I am yet, after trying many different wheel sets, yet to find better bang for your buck than these wheels. Done well over 10,000 km's on mine and they are still going strong. I'm 100kg plus as well.bollo wrote:i am also looking for wheels & have the same dilemma as you but i am going towards the RS80 C23 carbon , they look trick are nice & light & much better then the Fulcrom Comps that came on my bike new
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby DANger-is » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:20 am
Is it braking quality?
overall longevity of the wheels?
Aerodynamics?
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Ross » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:56 pm
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby winstonw » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:47 am
It has become apparent to me at least one popular Chinese manufacturer doesn't have the systems, expertise, or ethics, to take quality control seriously.
I'd be interested to hear from anyone who weighs >75kg and has put >3000km of training rides into Chinese deep section carbon wheels....and not had problems.
For my money, the best value for money wheels are those with generic components that can be easily replaced for a decade.
This won't include Shimano, Fulcrum, Mavic, none of which supply parts for that long.
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Re: Which wheel material will be best
Postby Nobody » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:16 am
Generic by type, in other words parts to fit standard round spokes.winstonw wrote:For my money, the best value for money wheels are those with generic components that can be easily replaced for a decade.
For low spoke count propriety wheels, I agree. But higher spoke count Shimano hubs and Mavic rims are popular in real world cycling applications.winstonw wrote:This won't include Shimano, Fulcrum, Mavic, none of which supply parts for that long.
I believe I know what you are saying, I just added a bit for clarity.
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