Ultegra 11spd

Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:29 pm

Shouldn't be a problem. Cranks are less sensitive to theoretically incompatible chains than the back end of the drive system is. There is only about half a millimetre difference in chainwidth between 10 & 11-speed, so I can't really see an issue.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:42 am

Had a look online, Shimano's compatibility chart says 9000 doesn't go with anything else, and saw a few forum comments that said the new teeth might be susceptible to excessive misshifts with the 10 speed chain as it shifts. Then again... if you wanted to get a new crank now and move to 11 speed by Christmas, that might not be a bad idea.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:52 am

Xplora wrote:Had a look online, Shimano's compatibility chart says 9000 doesn't go with anything else, and saw a few forum comments that said the new teeth might be susceptible to excessive misshifts with the 10 speed chain as it shifts. Then again... if you wanted to get a new crank now and move to 11 speed by Christmas, that might not be a bad idea.


by christmas? be more like 12 months away. think I'll just get the 6750
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:56 am

what crank length are you after? I need to get rid of some Ultegra 6700 compacts LOL
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:14 am

Xplora wrote:what crank length are you after? I need to get rid of some Ultegra 6700 compacts LOL


that's no laughing matter. I'll PM you so we don't flood this thread.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:29 pm

Xplora wrote:Had a look online, Shimano's compatibility chart says 9000 doesn't go with anything else, and saw a few forum comments that said the new teeth might be susceptible to excessive misshifts with the 10 speed chain as it shifts. Then again... if you wanted to get a new crank now and move to 11 speed by Christmas, that might not be a bad idea.

They said the same thing ten years ago when 10-speed was The New Thing, and it quickly became apparent that there's more compatibilty than Shimano would like us to believe. Heck, they're even marketing certain stuff as 9/10-sp. compatible. Sure there's some bits that are specific, but cranks tend to not be too fussy.

New Ultegra mechanical parts should be appearing very soon, it's the Di2 bits that won't arrive until later in the year or ealy next year.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:35 pm

New mechanical is already popping up on ebay. Think CRC said they hoped to have it early Sep.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:40 pm

Semi compact with a 11-23 and 11-32 seems to fit the bill covering my bases at a reasonable cost. Consumables look damn pricey on campy and SRAM?
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:20 pm

In response to a question I know was asked, but can't for the life of me remember which thread it was asked in, the new 6870 Di2 group will come with a GS (medium cage) rear derailleur option, compatible with up to 32T big sprocket. Of course it's not back-compatible with 10-speed due to the shifting calibration, but will plug straight into a Dura-Ace group if a wall-climber is required there. :)
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:06 am

Ribble now shipping 6800 groupsets for just under $900.

Now to just find a ribble discount coupon :)

CRC also listing Di2 as becoming available in Jan 14.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:06 pm

HAKS wrote:CRC also listing Di2 as becoming available in Jan 14.


I now have a date to aim for.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:08 pm

I'm going to go the mechanical route to start with then maybe upgrade to Di2 mid next year. New frame & mech groupset my first priorities at the moment :).
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:10 pm

Which freehub bodies does the 11 speed cassette go on?
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Sven Nijs » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:15 pm

mikesbytes wrote:Which freehub bodies does the 11 speed cassette go on?

Is that a trick question? :D
Shimano 11spd freehub bodies and all other compatible freehubs such as DT Swiss, Zipp, Easton, Fast Forward, Fulcrum, Corima, etc, etc.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:35 pm

Sven Nijs wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:Which freehub bodies does the 11 speed cassette go on?[/quote
Is that a trick question? :D
Shimano 11spd freehub bodies and all other compatible freehubs such as DT Swiss, Zipp, Easton, Fast Forward, Fulcrum, Corima, etc, etc.


worth stating that shimano 10 speed freehub bodies are not 11-speed compatible. though I have seen a bloke (Ben Mason) "fix" one with a dremel.
also worth noting that due to spacing, SOME freehubs cannot be replaced for 11-speed due to spacing. (i.e. you'd need to relace the wheel with a narrower hub for it to fit in the 130mm spacing with the 11 speed hub)
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:09 pm

Sounds like the wheel needs the spacing of 8, 9 speeds and its a new freehub so not compatible with 8,9,10 or 10 speed free hubs
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:56 pm

11-sp. cassette bodies are longer than 8/9/10-sp, so you need one that is 11-sp. All the major wheel players are making compatible hubs.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:11 pm

Just got my 6800 groupset from Merlin Cycles. Paid $875 to my door and it got here in under 2business days. Was full retail boxed as well, no OEM. Front brakes already installed (current brake pads were on their final legs), the rest will wait to the weekend when I will do a full strip and clean of my frame before building it up.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Sven Nijs » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:16 pm

What are your first impressions on the looks, finish, quality etc 'in the flesh'?
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:17 pm

All looks very smick but when a box of new goodies arrive its hard for them not to look smick :P. Quality is top notch from the quick inspection. Front brakes felt good from the quick test I did with them. The real test will come after installation :)
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:59 am

you going to post pics? before/after
weight of bike before/after?????
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:57 pm

jasonc wrote:you going to post pics? before/after
weight of bike before/after?????


I could if there is enough interest. I'm pulling 6700 off the bike (going on to the missus bike) so guess it could be a useful comparison.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:43 pm

Want to know if the 6800 crank nondriveside is compatible with the 6700... would definitely be the tipping point for a Stages power meter for me...
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:19 pm

Xplora wrote:Want to know if the 6800 crank nondriveside is compatible with the 6700... would definitely be the tipping point for a Stages power meter for me...


not sure if you've seen on the stages thread but they are now saying "no, there's an Aust distributor on the way"
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:39 pm

Xplora wrote:Want to know if the 6800 crank nondriveside is compatible with the 6700... would definitely be the tipping point for a Stages power meter for me...


I'll check on the weekend for you when i do the swap.
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