He published it.jacks1071 wrote:I bought the "friction facts" report and the guy there does a parafin wax brew but doesn't disclose the exact recipie however it seemed that PTFE was the key additive.
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Postby MattyK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:17 pm
He published it.jacks1071 wrote:I bought the "friction facts" report and the guy there does a parafin wax brew but doesn't disclose the exact recipie however it seemed that PTFE was the key additive.
Postby QuangVuong » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:52 pm
Postby barefoot » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:14 pm
Maybe.QuangVuong wrote:Im thinking of going with this method of lubing, but Ive got a hollow chain. How would I go about getting rid of the excess wax in all the holes, etc? Give it a shake while the wax is still in liquid form?
Postby QuangVuong » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:50 pm
Postby Bob_TAS » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:20 pm
Postby im_no_pro » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:58 pm
Use Nulon engine additive, not engine oil. I assume people are using one of E10, E20 or E30 (E10 at a guess) because they contain PTFE.QuangVuong wrote: How much Nulon did you mix in with approx how much wax(can I use a standard candle with the wick removed?)? And does it have to be Nulon, or will any engine oil suffice?
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Postby barefoot » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:55 am
Correct.im_no_pro wrote:Use Nulon engine additive, not engine oil. I assume people are using one of E10, E20 or E30 (E10 at a guess) because they contain PTFE.QuangVuong wrote: How much Nulon did you mix in with approx how much wax(can I use a standard candle with the wick removed?)? And does it have to be Nulon, or will any engine oil suffice?
Postby QuangVuong » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:40 pm
Postby MattyK » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:13 pm
Postby barefoot » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:46 pm
I don't bother degreasing any more. A bath of hot wax cleans my chain better than any other degreaser I've used. And once a chain is on to the wax program, it doesn't get very greasy anyway.MattyK wrote:Hmm, I'm going to have to steal one of the old histology tissue processors that I support and turn it into an automated chain degreaser and waxer... /ideasman
Made a huge difference to me.I'm not sure that engine oil additives are going to do anything for you. Read my links above, the real stuff is powder and you have to agitate it in. But without it seems to make SFA difference (unless you need that 0.25W gain...). Molybdenum lube should be readily available though.
Postby rheicel » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:12 pm
You did a good job mate and you didn't even waste a single moment. Now how much are you going to charge a waxing job per chain?QuangVuong wrote:Seems like its doing its job so far. Quite quiet, and clean to touch, but will post later when I put more kms onto it.
Postby sparco » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:59 am
barefoot wrote:Correct.im_no_pro wrote:Use Nulon engine additive, not engine oil. I assume people are using one of E10, E20 or E30 (E10 at a guess) because they contain PTFE.QuangVuong wrote: How much Nulon did you mix in with approx how much wax(can I use a standard candle with the wick removed?)? And does it have to be Nulon, or will any engine oil suffice?
I use one of them. Can't remember which one. I was inspired by an American rider's recipe, using a PTFE additive that they have on their local market... so I just grabbed something that has PTFE in it.
As for proportions... the wax I get comes in round plastic take-away food containers. Looks like this:
or this:
...which says that it's 200g per serve. Should be about $3 each at your supermarket.
I added about 1/3 bottle of Nulon to that much wax.
It's all very approximate and make-it-up-as-you-go.
You'll need enough wax to submerge your chain - I'm not sure how big a candle you're proposing to melt down, but I can't imagine a candle being enough wax for the job.
tim
Postby barefoot » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:10 am
Ah, the million dollar question.sparco wrote:Which supermarket and isle did you get this from? It is not coming up from Coles online.barefoot wrote:the wax I get comes in round plastic take-away food containers. Looks like this:
...which says that it's 200g per serve. Should be about $3 each at your supermarket.
Postby Pedaling » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:04 pm
Postby im_no_pro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:33 pm
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Postby Pedaling » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:12 pm
Postby LM324 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:46 pm
Wippermann connex link http://www.connexchain.com/Connectors/C ... 1_309.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Pedaling wrote:Thanks for that Pro, appreciate it.
Cheers,
Darrin.
Postby ironhanglider » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:14 pm
Apparently you already have a joining link.Pedaling wrote:Speaking with a mate who his father used to lube his motorcycle chains the same way, before rubber O rings chains.
I would like to try this, although I am unsure as to breaking the chain all the time.
Does anybody have any tips on chain breaking,and more to the point, rejoining?
I am running 105 with a KMC chain, standard on a Giant TCR Advanced 2 (2013).
Cheers,
Darrin.
Postby Pedaling » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:25 pm
Postby im_no_pro » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:11 pm
Wandered aimlessly around woolies last night without success. With the baking goods is where I would have expected to find it because thats where the jam setta and the round cover thingies for your homemade preserves are kept (and thats what Fowlers Vacola market it for - homemade preserving). And no, im not a home preserving guru, I just used to work in a supermarketbarefoot wrote: Ah, the million dollar question.
They seem to move it around the supermarket in a random manner.
I don't think they really know how to categorise it, and what stuff to put it with. Sometimes it's in the health food section, sometimes in the baking goods along with flour and sugar (and pectin and baking soda and citric acid and... paraffin wax, obviously).
You and me bothPedaling wrote:Thanks Cam,
Teaches me to be more observant next time.
Cheers,
Darrin.
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Postby QuangVuong » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:46 pm
Drop over my place and you can try it out if you want.rheicel wrote:You did a good job mate and you didn't even waste a single moment. Now how much are you going to charge a waxing job per chain?QuangVuong wrote:Seems like its doing its job so far. Quite quiet, and clean to touch, but will post later when I put more kms onto it.
Postby jacks1071 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:14 pm
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:42 pm
Postby im_no_pro » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:57 pm
Super Cheap Auto sell it as well.Mulger bill wrote:Try your local generic hardware or keycutter type place for powdered graphite. "Lock lubricant".
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