Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
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Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:45 am
I'm looking to upgrade my comfort hybrid (giant cypress) into either a flat bar road bike or drop bar road bike. It will be used for commuting and weekend fitness/leisure rides.
I'm currently tossing up between these two bikes:
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bik ... 048/57445/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.reidcycles.com.au/bicycles/r ... -bike.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Would a drop bar road bike be appropriate for commuting? I'm worried that:
- The tyres will be too thin to ride on footpaths/grass (avoiding pedestrians) for the sections of road too busy for me to keep up with traffic
- I will lose balance or damage my bike if I go over potholes or branches
- Too difficult to maneuver at low speeds and uncomfortable to scan for traffic.
In terms of road bikes, I like the Reid because it seems like an less aggressive road bike, so perhaps it could be used for commuting.
- Traditional geometry = less aero = more comfortable than a racing bike?
- Eyelets for mounting a rear rack = great for commuting
- Not sure if mudguards can be installed or not
Keen to get your thoughts on what type of bike would be most appropriate for my situation.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby Summernight » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:04 pm
I don't find it difficult at all to manoeuvre my drop bar at low speeds, nor do I find it uncomfortable to scan for traffic. I ride my commute in the hoods the whole way, not the drops (frankly I've never used the drops as I don't feel overly comfortable nor safe in them when riding in traffic). I do rain, hail and shine every work day and I don't think that there would be a significant difference in riding a flat bar to a drop bar (apart from the different riding position and possibly speed).
I think it'll depend on what is most comfortable for you and what will be sturdy enough to weather everyday riding.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:47 pm
Reid does a lot of bike for the money. Correctly sized and assembled it shazizzles all over the Cross City 3. However if you order online and don't know what size to get, and how to adjust the seat properly for your height, and/or you don't feel confident finishing off the last bit of assembly (I also found that the Alex wheels needed a bit of trueing out of the box with mine), the Giant from a LBS might be a better option.
BTW, have you had a look at singlespeeds as commuters? They're miles cheaper and more versatile than you think...
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:25 pm
Are there any other considerations for buying a commuter road bike?
Are there any other recommended bikes? I had a look on Cell and couldn't find any road bikes with eyelets for mounting a rear rack.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby rangersac » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:37 pm
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:56 am
$492 for Reid Osprey Elite
http://www.reidcycles.com.au/2013-reid- ... dyGWfn7AsI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
$800 (assuming 20% off RRP $999) for Giant Defy 3
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bik ... 008/57412/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby rjk » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:19 am
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:41 pm
In terms of weight, I reckon wheel weight is more important for the 'pleasantness-of-ride' factor (and efficiency) than frame weight.
When you test ride the bikes, find somewhere a little bumpy to see how the forks translate it to your hands... Also, ask if you can try out some better wheels.
Also, you can fit racks for light/medium loads to just about any bike, eyelets or no. If your budgets opening up a little, you could probably stretch to a Falco Sport (Tiagra components, lighter frame) with Mavic wheels and a rack for the $800 you would spend on just the Defy 3...
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby geraldobeavis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:06 pm
The defy frame is arguably one of the best budget alloy frames. If you are looking at the 2013 model, it is the same frame as a defy 1 frame minus a press fit bottom bracket. 2014 model appears to be lower grade alloy, probably not enough to notice. There are many positive reviews floating around the interweb for the defy.
You should also research and test ride some other brands in addition to these two, figure out which suits you best.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby slow fatty » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:48 pm
On paper the 2 bikes are very similar and it's hard to find $300 in difference other than brand. A test ride may prove otherwise.dajackal wrote:Hi guys, i'm now considering these two bikes and will go in for a test ride this weekend. Just wondering if the brand name justifies the price difference given that the groupsets are the same (Shimano Sora). I'm not sure what else is different.
$492 for Reid Osprey Elite
http://www.reidcycles.com.au/2013-reid- ... dyGWfn7AsI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
$800 (assuming 20% off RRP $999) for Giant Defy 3
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bik ... 008/57412/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't think the Giant is overpriced, it's just that Reid does seem to be amazing value. Being a sceptic I wonder where they may save their money e.g. quality control.
Do Reid offer a wheel upgrade on their bikes? This could be money well spent if your budget is up to $800.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby thejester » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:13 pm
Nope. Soooooooo wrong.rjk wrote:check the weight of the bike, if all other factors are the same, a lighter bike will always be nicer to ride
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:13 pm
I've got 2 Reids (Falco and Griffon SS) and my wife's got one (X229). I'm pretty damn impressed (ie why we have 3 of them...).slow fatty wrote: On paper the 2 bikes are very similar and it's hard to find $300 in difference other than brand. A test ride may prove otherwise.
I don't think the Giant is overpriced, it's just that Reid does seem to be amazing value. Being a sceptic I wonder where they may save their money e.g. quality control.
Do Reid offer a wheel upgrade on their bikes? This could be money well spent if your budget is up to $800.
Reid do a Mavic Aksium upgrade for $200 on their road bikes. They shipped my Mavics separate to the bike, so I have the stock ones (2200 hub, Alex wheel, Kenda tyre) as spares. I wonder if they let you keep them if you buy from the shop...
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby LM324 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:12 pm
The Giant defy 3 is a much much better bike, there are actually quite a few differences between the two bikes. You can tell where Reid have saved some money (but it is not necessarily a bad thing) . Look at the bars on the reid and the giant defy. The giant has nice compact drop bars, which seem the norm these days on bikes with Shimano STI levers. The reid has other bars, it has a bigger drop and longer reach and has a weird shape with the start of the drop almost perpendicular to the ground. You would either have to hold right at the end of the drop bars where you wouldn't be able to reach the levers or you would have to bend your hands uncomfortably in order to put it behind the levers in the drops. The reid also has a triple crankset (which I personally dislike), VP bottom bracket and headset, zoom handlebar and seat post, and tektro brakes.dajackal wrote:Hi guys, i'm now considering these two bikes and will go in for a test ride this weekend. Just wondering if the brand name justifies the price difference given that the groupsets are the same (Shimano Sora). I'm not sure what else is different.
$492 for Reid Osprey Elite
http://www.reidcycles.com.au/2013-reid- ... dyGWfn7AsI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
$800 (assuming 20% off RRP $999) for Giant Defy 3
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bik ... 008/57412/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The biggest difference is the frame. Honestly too many people judge a bike by its groupset. The groupset probably has the least impact on how the bike feels and rides. The bike frame is the most important part of the bike. If you get a chance, compare the two frames, you will notice huge differences in term of tube shape and width etc. and probably how it rides.
If you end up buying the reid I do not recommend you to upgrade to the mavic aksium wheels . If you use the bike for commuting you ought to either use the 32 spoke wheels provided or buy a strong and durable wheel like the pro lite como. If you become more serious or intend on racing the askiums are bottom end and too heavy and by spending a bit more you could get something lighter and nicer.
The giant defy is a better bike and would be my pick but at the end of the day you have to decide whether these differences are really worth the extra $300. It might actually be better to buy the cheaper reid and if you really enjoy riding then buy a better bike in the future.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:29 pm
Thanks for the insight and detailed analysis. As a beginner I don't think I'd be able to tell the immediate difference between a $500 bike vs a $800 bike which is why I'm leaning towards an entry level road bike. However, ergonomics and overall quality & design is important to me.Philipthelam wrote:The giant defy is a better bike and would be my pick but at the end of the day you have to decide whether these differences are really worth the extra $300. It might actually be better to buy the cheaper reid and if you really enjoy riding then buy a better bike in the future.
Additionally, I am still a little worried that it wont be comfortable/convenient/practical enough for daily commuting so there's a chance I may only end up riding the new bike on weekends. e.g. I'd rather have a kickstand than shave 500g off my bike since my work doesn't have bike racks. I'd rather have a pannier rack to get the load off my back. etc.
What are your thoughts on the Cell Blade? How does it compare to the Reid Osprey Elite / Giant Defy 3?
http://www.this link is broken/Cell-2013-B ... gory=12632" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Are there any other entry level road bikes I should consider?
Thanks everyone for ur tips and advice!
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby slow fatty » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:20 am
Wow I'm impressed, I assumed you only got the upgrade wheels, not both.lobstermash wrote:I've got 2 Reids (Falco and Griffon SS) and my wife's got one (X229). I'm pretty damn impressed (ie why we have 3 of them...).slow fatty wrote: On paper the 2 bikes are very similar and it's hard to find $300 in difference other than brand. A test ride may prove otherwise.
I don't think the Giant is overpriced, it's just that Reid does seem to be amazing value. Being a sceptic I wonder where they may save their money e.g. quality control.
Do Reid offer a wheel upgrade on their bikes? This could be money well spent if your budget is up to $800.
Reid do a Mavic Aksium upgrade for $200 on their road bikes. They shipped my Mavics separate to the bike, so I have the stock ones (2200 hub, Alex wheel, Kenda tyre) as spares. I wonder if they let you keep them if you buy from the shop...
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:20 am
I use the Falco as my commuter and heartily disagree that the Aksiums are a waste of money.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:26 am
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby comehome » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:07 pm
i popped into reid yesterday and to be frank, wasn't overly impressed. i'm obviously a novice so don't really have grounds for this, the whole establishment felt a bit makeshift, bikes included. i say this after visited a couple of LBS at checking out the usual suspects - giant, malvern star, etc. i appreciate these bikes are a good price bracket or two higher, but it seems to be justifiable.
with this in mind, perhaps the cell blade is a good middle-ground between say a reid and a giant? that's a largely educated guess, but pricing works with my theory.
has anyone here experienced the 2013 cell bikes, blade in particular?
not to hijack, but i could hypothetically splurge on a, let's say, malvern star C4/C5 (which would presumably keep me happy for longer), but having never really ridden for fitness before, i'm not sure this would be a wise move.
thoughts appreciated.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:44 am
The brake levers for the Reid was very hard to use from the hoods.
The Swift was a very good fit for me. Maybe because the frame size was a 53 in the swift but 54 in both the blade and osprey elite.
Now I will compare the Cell Swift to a GIant Defy 3 and see what the extra $130 or so gets me.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:00 am
on reflection it turned out the cell swift seemed to fit me alot better than the blade. i am wondering if 1cm difference in frame size can make that much difference or if the sales guy purposely didn't fit me properly into the blade to try to upsell me. the swift was a 53cm whereas the blade was 54cm.
http://www.this link is broken/Cell-2013-B ... gory=12632" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.this link is broken/Cell-2013-S ... gory=12632" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
from what ive read fit is the most important so perhaps i should just pony up the extra $ for the swift over the blade? i couldn't tell much difference in the components other than the saddle being harder on the blade.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:23 am
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:40 am
the sales guy said i could install a shorter handlebar stem(?) (shorter running parallel to the top tube) so i wouldn't have to reach out as far but it would end up being an extra $60 or so.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby lobstermash » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:37 am
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby Lurkin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:56 pm
It has been used for ~180k rides and daily commuting.
Definitely sufficient for either.
The after sale service from Reid has been beyond my expectations/ is free for 12 months with the bike.
I also have a 2012 Osprey, which is being set up for touring currently, but has been used for commuting and ~100km rides.
Again, performed perfectly.
I'll note that stems can be obtained cheaply from ebay (as low as ~$10) if you're patient.
I'll also note that the Falco Elite is more comparable to the other bikes (price wise) that you are comparing it to, as opposed to the Osprey Elite, which has an inferior groupset/ shifters etc. to the Elite.
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Re: Beginner Road/Commuter Bike < $600
Postby dajackal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:48 am
I am a total noob when it comes to road bikes but I feel that the Cell bikes are a better package overall from the feel of the handlebar grips to the comfort of the saddle. To top it off, the Cell Swift looks awesome
Lurkin, do you have any tips on how to make a road bike more practical for commuting? My bike doesn't have mount points for installing a rear rack. Also I was considering getting fatter 28c tyres for comfort and stability.
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