All good bikes, but in exchange for bar-ends you forgo the bang-for-your-buck items - dynamo hub and lighting, rear rack, mudguards, bidon cages and low gearing.GregLR wrote:A friend of mine just bought a Salsa 'Vaya' with bar end shifters. Also, the Surly site shows that the LHT and CrossCheck are still fitted with bar end shifters. The Trek '520' touring bike also comes with them but this doesn't seem to be available in Australia anymore.Mike Ayling wrote:I just read the [Vivente World Randonneur'] 2013 spec sheet and notice that there is not a bar end shifter option available. Does no one use these any more?
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby rog on a bike » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:20 am
I've been off line for a while Just a quick word in support of the VWR. I rode mine from Newcastle to Port Fairy last November in 31 days. Fairly relaxed pace and very enjoyable. Route was Newcastle ( Lass O Gowrie hotel) to the Stump, (Caladonian hotel) Port Fairy.
Lasso, Rathmines, Umina, Palm beach (via ferry) Manley, circular quay, central, Waterfall via train, Coaldale, Kiama, Nowra, Nerriga, Braidwood, Top of the Badger, Cooma, Nimititbell, Bombala , Cann River, Orbost, Bruthen, Bairnsdale, via rail trail, Sale, Yarram, FishCreek, Wanthaggie,Cowes, Blairgowrie, via ferry, Barwon Heads, via ferry, Apollo Bay, Port Campbell, Warrnambool, the Stump Port Fairy.
Bike and trailer weighed 54kg. The gearing worked perfectly See previous thread, and on the whole the bike performed flawlessly, in terms of equipment I felt I made the right choice, In terms off after sales service and general technical support (via phone and email)I know I did Rating the later I would give Noel MacFarlen 10 out of 10.
A great trip made easy by really well thought out gear. Thanks Noel
Cheers ROG
PS. One of the aims of this exercise was to pick up as many rail trails as possible, a task the VWR handled perfectly.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby VeloGiro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:34 am
Damage - one mangled rear derailleur - one snapped chain - one very bucked rear wheel (maybe unrepairable?) - a tooth missing on the rear cassette and some scratching to the RHS rear stays...Like i said bummer!
I really cant work it out - If i were changing up to the largest cog you might explain this by suggesting the the derailleur arm overshot the mark but I was in the middle of the cassette and not even changing gears at the time...Me thinks that perhaps the pins that allow the derailleur to swivel gave way...The chain was a little worn but well within the 25.5mm mark for 10 links...Curious.
Not sure what to do 'bout this - Its well out of warranty - Could be an exie ride home.
I was looking at doing what Tim has done and going 24 front small with a 11 - 34 combo on the back - I am going to have to replace the rear cassette and derailleur now - This may hasten this project...
Just out of interest would there be any reason why Shimano CS-HG61 12-36 Deore Cassette wouldn't work with a shadow rear derailleur on the VWR
Lots of website mention that they are for use on 29" wheels (only). Might save me haaving to get a smaller front ring?
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby Tim » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:37 pm
Bike parts represent remarkably good value for money these days. A new chain, cassette, spokes and RD. At a rough guess, buying mid-range gear (Shimano LX or equivalent) I wouldn't expect to be paying more than a couple of hundred dollars to fix up the mess if you do most of the work yourself. If you only damaged spokes the wheel should be OK.
I nearly bought a 12-36t cassette for my bike but at the last moment decided against it. I'm not completely certain, but I think a standard long rear derailleur will only fit 34t maximum. As you are having to buy a new RD anyway I would be interested to know if the Shimano Mega range (I think that's what they are called) will work on our bikes.
I have found that the 11-34 cassette and a 24t chainring provides me with low enough gearing for loaded hill climbing. However, one extra low gear wouldn't go astray on the really big climbs.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby Baalzamon » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:48 pm
If your bike has been lying on it's drive train side, or if it's fallen over that way, chances are your hangar got bent leading to this problem
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby Tim » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:32 pm
On the VWR it is steel and not replaceable.
You may need to visit a bike shop to check the RD alignment once the new one is fitted.
Things are starting to look a little bit more expensive.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby VeloGiro » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:07 pm
Had a quick look tonight at the hanger - looks pretty straight up and down, but i'm not sure how to properly assess this...I would imagine if is bent that it would be relatively easy to spot???
Thanks agian folks...
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby Tim » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:29 pm
Not always easy to spot. The proper method requires the tool Baalzamon mentioned. I don't imagine too many people own one of these. You might need a bike shop to check derailleur alignment if you can't take up his offer. Then again if a new and correctly tuned derailleur works properly there is no need to bother.VeloGiro wrote:Had a quick look tonight at the hanger - looks pretty straight up and down, but i'm not sure how to properly assess this...I would imagine if is bent that it would be relatively easy to spot???
My Cannondale road bike never shifted gears really crisply from day I bought it. It changed gears but just felt sluggish. I mentioned this to the LBS a year or so after I purchased it. He checked the RD alignment, found it was out of whack, bent it into place and all is apples now. It was just another example of Cannondale's poor engineering. I have come to expect these types of problems from Cannondale.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby VeloGiro » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:26 pm
Thanks again Baalzomon (and Tim)Baalzamon wrote:Where abouts are you? I've got a derailleur hangar alignment tool but I'm in Perth. My masi speciale cx fell over one day on drive side and bent the hangar. I ordered that tool after that to realign it.
B.... for my sins i live in Melbourne's SE Burbs so thanks so much for the offer to help out...but looks like the local bike shop is going to get a bit of work here...although i do like to do most of my mechanical stuff truing the very bucked backwheel (touching on either sides of the framstays)! and checking derailleur hanger is going to need some specialist gear and skills me thinks.
Thanks again Baalazomon for the kind offer!
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby Mike Ayling » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:05 pm
Pete at Cycle Science Mitcham is a gun wheel builder and an excellent mechanic.VeloGiro wrote:Thanks again Baalzomon (and Tim)Baalzamon wrote:Where abouts are you? I've got a derailleur hangar alignment tool but I'm in Perth. My masi speciale cx fell over one day on drive side and bent the hangar. I ordered that tool after that to realign it.
B.... for my sins i live in Melbourne's SE Burbs so thanks so much for the offer to help out...but looks like the local bike shop is going to get a bit of work here...although i do like to do most of my mechanical stuff truing the very bucked backwheel (touching on either sides of the framstays)! and checking derailleur hanger is going to need some specialist gear and skills me thinks.
Thanks again Baalazomon for the kind offer!
Mike
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby elStado » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:26 pm
Has anyone here had to replace their VWR's front brake pads before? I check the rotor and that looks in good condition still, so I am assuming the pads are worn and need to be replaced. I'll probably also replace the rear pads as well as they are worn pretty low as well (having the wheel slightly out of true doesn't help much either). What type/model pad do I need to order? I had a look on the VWR website but they don't state the model numbers.
I should probably replace the chain too while I am at it. I am pretty good with keeping it clean by cleaning it with solvent and re-applying fresh oil every 2-3 weeks, as well as wiping it clean/dry if I have been riding in wet weather, which is probably why it's still OK. I'll eventually replace the derailer with an IGH setup in the future as adjusting and keeping clean the derailer is a PITA..
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby maxknott » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:33 pm
also i've had to change the rear pads after 3000 odd k's, really depends on usage so i'm told
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby clackers » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:29 pm
ElStado, they're like rim brakes. You have to adjust the clearances as the pads wear down.elStado wrote:Since last night I've noticed that my front disc brake is making a dull metal on metal sound and isn't braking very well, especially if it's a bit damp. I've cycled maybe 6000km in all kinds of weather conditions and I still have all the original components in running order, including the chain, rear brake pads and front brake pads. I've not owned a mechanical disc brake before,
Hydros do this automatically.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby il padrone » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:43 pm
Wow!! I'd never kept much of a record of the kms for my Hayes pads on the MTB, but I'm pretty sure I got a good deal more than this before replacement (and that's in lots of steep, knarly trails). The Thorn has the Swisstop blue pads for V-brakes and these are still original - currently about 17,000kms with a good bit of life still in them.maxknott wrote:i was not happy with the front mechanical discs on my vwr,even after many adjustments from my lbs, i upgraded to hydraulic discs, very happy now.
also i've had to change the rear pads after 3000 odd k's, really depends on usage so i'm told
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby elStado » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:39 pm
If they're only low, not completely worn, is it normal for it to be making noise though? I'm going to pull the pads out tomorrow and check them out. Apparently when they are down to .5mm they need to be replaced. I've got the pads now, so I may as well use them. Btw the 2012 model uses Shimano BR-R505 disc brakes and is compatible with most standard Shimano disc brake pads, e.g. for XTR BR-565/6 etc that look like this.clackers wrote:ElStado, they're like rim brakes. You have to adjust the clearances as the pads wear down.elStado wrote:Since last night I've noticed that my front disc brake is making a dull metal on metal sound and isn't braking very well, especially if it's a bit damp. I've cycled maybe 6000km in all kinds of weather conditions and I still have all the original components in running order, including the chain, rear brake pads and front brake pads. I've not owned a mechanical disc brake before,
Hydros do this automatically.
I expected a bit more too, especially as the bike came with sintered weather-resistant pads with it, I was hoping for a solid 2 years of daily use (10,000km) before replacing the pads hence why I was caught out.il padrone wrote:Wow!! I'd never kept much of a record of the kms for my Hayes pads on the MTB, but I'm pretty sure I got a good deal more than this before replacement (and that's in lots of steep, knarly trails). The Thorn has the Swisstop blue pads for V-brakes and these are still original - currently about 17,000kms with a good bit of life still in them.
Strangely enough the rear pads still have maybe 30% of wear left in them, and I know they wear down a lot as there's brake muck all over my rim every time I use the bike in wet weather.
Might have to adjust both as clackers suggested, the rear brake is really sloppy too as it's worn down over the past 9 months since I adjusted them last.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - clicky clacky vibration/sound
Postby ChristopherD » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:51 am
ANDbut riding along i was getting an unusual clicky noise coming from the rear derailleur - I had it on the way in as well and thought that i might have to adjust the chain alignment a bit...it looked OK
I experience the same issue with my VWR. It only happens on the middle ring and middle gear. I have adjusted the tension but the clicky vibrations return. Given that two others experienced the same problem, I'm wondering what my problem is exactly?I didn't ride the VWR again until yesterday and immediately picked up that weird clicky sound from the rear drive.
Thanks
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - clicky clacky vibration/sound
Postby VeloGiro » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:45 pm
Hi Christopher - Based on my recent experience, and as Baalzamon pointed to... perhaps it could be related to the alignment of the rear derailleur hanger. After the mishap a couple of weeks back i did as Tim suggested and got the new deore XT replacement derailleur and new chain...installed em but I was finding it almost impossible to tune it...just couldn't get the mech to change sweetly up and down across the cassette...and that clicky sound was there ~ middle cog - middle chainring...ChristopherD wrote:ANDbut riding along i was getting an unusual clicky noise coming from the rear derailleur - I had it on the way in as well and thought that i might have to adjust the chain alignment a bit...it looked OK
I experience the same issue with my VWR. It only happens on the middle ring and middle gear. I have adjusted the tension but the clicky vibrations return. Given that two others experienced the same problem, I'm wondering what my problem is exactly?I didn't ride the VWR again until yesterday and immediately picked up that weird clicky sound from the rear drive.
Thanks
Christopher.
Took the bike to the LBS and after a quick tweek of the hanger it's now changing crisply and running sweet and silent...
Could be the hanger???
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby ChristopherD » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:26 am
Based on discussion here I suspect it is the hanger so I'll get my LBS to check that.
I'll also contact Noel as it is three bikes now from the same year that have had the same problem, so there must be something wrong with the assembly.
Cheers
Christopher.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby VeloGiro » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:59 pm
ditto...ChristopherD wrote:Hi, my VWR is also a 2012 model.
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Re: Vivente World Randonneur - the best bang for your buck
Postby iacl » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:43 am
I wander what will be new for 2014?
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