Another help identify thread **please**
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:07 pm
Picked it up today. It has no markings other than serial no on the BB and a couple of marks under the head/top tube lug. The dérailleurs appear to be early 80s, suntour arx(google says). Other than that I'm a bit new to identifying other parts. Once I pull it apart ill test the frame weight to help work out if it isn't gaspipe. The frame seems to have detailing indicative of being decent.
Some pics, appears I forgot to take a pic of the whole thing.
Head tube
Head tube lug markings
Bottom bracket
Serial no
Chrome fork and brakes with red detailing, like the headset detailing.
Brake bridge
Seat stays
Also the rear dropouts are forged with screws in the ends and the bottle cage mounts have little diamond shapes around them.
If it is a decent frame and the right size I'll keep it, if not ill keep the parts and on sell as was the plan when I bid.
- ldrcycles
- Posts: 9594
- Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:19 pm
- Location: Kin Kin, Queensland
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:17 pm
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:51 pm
Suntour arx front derailleur dated 1985
Suntour a-5000 rear derailleur dated 1986
SR 'custom' cranks, 170mm
Formos brake calipers and levers
Seat post is larger than the 25.8 out of a steel dunger frame, but my calipers are missing and the seat post isn't stamped so not sure what diameter. The 25.8 almost fell in.
Edit: and I popped a set of 700c wheels in and they fit without adjusting the brakes. and fixed trial seatpost size 25.4-25.8
- P!N20
- Posts: 4052
- Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:50 pm
- Location: Wurundjeri Country
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby P!N20 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:40 am
Any identifiers on the dropouts? Screws in the ends are pretty standard for cast dropouts.
- pentlandexile
- Posts: 473
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:48 am
- Location: Brisbane
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby pentlandexile » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:03 pm
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:45 pm
- Kermit TF
- Posts: 370
- Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:52 pm
- Location: Canbrrra
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby Kermit TF » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:22 pm
Frame looks kuwahara-ish. Give it a few hours , and you should have an answer from Zi experts...
I can confirm, its not an apollo
- pentlandexile
- Posts: 473
- Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:48 am
- Location: Brisbane
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby pentlandexile » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:50 pm
Yeah, that's them. Cool piece of kit.bychosis wrote:The levers say suntour symmetric. Doesn't mention arx on them.
- HappyHumber
- Posts: 5072
- Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:48 pm
- Location: Perth, (S.o.R.) W.A.
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby HappyHumber » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:14 pm
I think those diamond bridge mounts with the triangular cutouts were a standard Tange component from the period - albeit one of their nicer ones. I personally have had them on a couple of Ricardo Nouvo frames.Kermit TF wrote:The brake bridge is a standout....I know Ive seen it before
Hit me up via the BNA dm; I'll get an alert. If y'know, you know.
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:01 pm
Checked the size and got a little disappointed thinking it I would be too big. Tested it by popping some wheels on and throwing a leg over. Seems to fit OK but not a lot of seatpost showing.
Now the big question is whether I fix(ie) it, or move it on. As pictured it weighed 10.6kg, 700g less than my hi-ten tubed Fixie so the frame appears to be not too heavy, but not super light.
Pic of the bike with some spare wheels on.
Rear dropout
- WyvernRH
- Posts: 3190
- Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:41 pm
- Location: Newcastle NSW
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby WyvernRH » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:45 am
If the saddle is set for you in the picture then that is about right for the bike's period. People did not have 9" of seat post sticking out back then. A general guide I was given was if you could grasp the post with your fist under the saddle you were right. Pretty unscientific and generalist but you get the idea of the expected look.bychosis wrote: Checked the size and got a little disappointed thinking it I would be too big. Tested it by popping some wheels on and throwing a leg over. Seems to fit OK but not a lot of seatpost showing.
Richard
-
- Posts: 3493
- Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:39 pm
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby rustychisel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:54 pm
Rough, looks like evidence of a sheared and rewelded seat tube at the BB junction then repaint. The weld appears ropey, or is that merely the image? If it broke it'll break again. Mine did. I'll further assume the champagne colour of rear stays is original paint, and the silver a new coat...?
Can you tell us more?
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:16 pm
The seat tube joint at the bottom bracket does look different to the other joints, but doesn't look like a weld. Can't see any difference in the paint there, but might see if i can rub it back when i clean up the frame to closer inspect. The champagne paint is on top of the silver.
While we are identifying stuff what is the thing on the lower part of the seat stay on the drive side for? An see it hiding in the rear dropout pic just below where the cable passes the seat stay
- WyvernRH
- Posts: 3190
- Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:41 pm
- Location: Newcastle NSW
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby WyvernRH » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:44 pm
That's a chain hanger braze-on to hang the chain on (surprisingly ) when you remove the rear wheel for punctures and the like.bychosis wrote:While we are identifying stuff what is the thing on the lower part of the seat stay on the drive side for? An see it hiding in the rear dropout pic just below where the cable passes the seat stay
Generally only found on better class frames AFAIK?
Cheers
Richard
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:43 am
More internetting (mostly in the ricardo appreciation thread) points me away from ricardo based on the serial number. All the ricardo numbers I have spotted start with L-number-letter. This frame appears to have serial number T5092107. Long serial number points me away from custom frame, but happy to be proven wrong there.
The other unhelpful thing about the frame is that the groupset seems to be of low-average quality on a frame with some fancier features. Of course this could be due to lots of reasons.
Have decided that this frame will become my fixie. No frame mods though 'just in case' for later.
- Velo13
- Posts: 898
- Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:24 pm
- Location: Lennox
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby Velo13 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:40 am
Tange #5 or 900 is a reasonable guess.
If you feel it fits, clean it up, and ride it!
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:05 am
Time for painting.
- bychosis
- Posts: 7272
- Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:10 pm
- Location: Lake Macquarie
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby bychosis » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:02 pm
-
- Posts: 483
- Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:56 am
- Location: Carapooee, central victoria
Re: Another help identify thread **please**
Postby scratchman » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:09 pm
thanks for that, have seen those many times, always wondered what their purpose wasWyvernRH wrote: That's a chain hanger braze-on to hang the chain on (surprisingly ) when you remove the rear wheel for punctures and the like.
Generally only found on better class frames AFAIK?
Cheers
Richard
- General Australian Cycling Topics
- Info / announcements
- Buying a bike / parts
- General Cycling Discussion
- The Bike Shed
- Cycling Health
- Cycling Safety and Advocacy
- Women's Cycling
- Bike & Gear Reviews
- Cycling Trade
- Stolen Bikes
- Bicycle FAQs
- The Market Place
- Member to Member Bike and Gear Sales
- Want to Buy, Group Buy, Swap
- My Bikes or Gear Elsewhere
- Serious Biking
- Audax / Randonneuring
- Retro biking
- Commuting
- MTB
- Recumbents
- Fixed Gear/ Single Speed
- Track
- Electric Bicycles
- Cyclocross and Gravel Grinding
- Dragsters / Lowriders / Cruisers
- Children's Bikes
- Cargo Bikes and Utility Cycling
- Road Racing
- Road Biking
- Training
- Time Trial
- Triathlon
- International and National Tours and Events
- Cycle Touring
- Touring Australia
- Touring Overseas
- Touring Bikes and Equipment
- Australia
- Western Australia
- New South Wales
- Queensland
- South Australia
- Victoria
- ACT
- Tasmania
- Northern Territory
- Country & Regional
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users
- All times are UTC+10:00
- Top
- Delete cookies
About the Australian Cycling Forums
The Australian Cycling Forums is a welcoming community where you can ask questions and talk about the type of bikes and cycling topics you like.
Bicycles Network Australia
Forum Information
Connect with BNA
This website uses affiliate links to retail platforms including ebay, amazon, proviz and ribble.