BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
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BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby comehome » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:06 pm
For that sort of price I can pretty easily get on a Cell bike (I appreciate you get what you pay for) with a Sora groupset.
I did, however, come across the above BH at my LBS (The Melbourne Bicycle Centre in Prahran) on sale for $699 (supposedly down from $1299). It's a (big) stretch on my budget, but does have the Tiagra groupset and more importantly, the convenience of service at my LBS.
I understand BH is reasonably new to Australia but I'm struggling to find much feedback on the brand, much less the frame. Anyone with experience with either the bike or The Melbourne Bicycle Centre?
An alternative for me might be the Cell Blade with Sora ($549). If we ignore the groupset difference, are there any notable differences between the two? Wheels / tyres? (I am aware of the Cell Swift with Tiagra - but at $669 I'd opt to buy from my LBS for a fraction more.)
A part of me is saying this'll only be a 12-month-frame so go with the cheaper option. (Not to mention I doubt I'll notice much difference between Sora and Tiagra) Thoughts?
BH Zaphire Shimano Tiagra - $699
Frame: ZAPHIRE Aluminum
Fork: Carbon Fiber Fork
Headset: Tange 1,125"
Front Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra
Rear Derailluer: Shimano Tiagra - New 10 Speed
Levers: Shimano Tiagra - New 10 Speed
Cranks: FSA Omega - Compact 34/50T
Bottom Bracket: FSA External
Stem: BH Alloy
Saddle: BH Saddle
Cassette: 12-30T
Wheels: SHIMANO R500 Front & Rear
Tyres: Michelin Dynamic Sport 700x23C
Seatpost: Alloy Micro Adjust
Cell 2013 Blade Shimano SORA Road Bike - $549
Frame: 6061 DB Tubing with replaceable dropout
Forks: Carbon fork, alloy steerer, forged alloy tips
Handlebars: UNO 6061 Alloy
Stem: UNO 3D
Bartape: Cushion bar type
Headset: Neco Semi-Integrated
Chainset: Shimano Sora FC-3305 Compact 50-34T
Chain: Shimano CN-HG53 9-Speed
Cassette: Shimano Sora 9-Speed 11-25T
Shifters: Shimano ST-3500 9-Speed Double
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Sora RD-3500
Front Derailleur: Shimano Sora FD-3500
Brakes: Shimano Sora BR-3500
Saddle: Velo FLow
Seatpost: Alloy 27.2 x 300mm Micro Adjustable
Wheels: Alexrims DC19Alloy Double Wall - Stainless Steel spokes
Tyres: Kenda Koncept 700 x 23c
Weight : 9.5kg
Come with pedals and toeclips
Cell 2013 Swift Shimano Tiagra Road Bike - $669
Specifications
• Frame: 7005 Triple Butted Alloy Frame with replaceable dropout
• Forks: Carbon fork, alloy steerer, forged alloy tips
• Handlebars: FSA Vero Compact
• Stem: FSA OS190
• Bartape: Cushion bar type
• Headset: FSA Integrated Cartridge Headset
• Chainset: Shimano Tiagra FC-4650 Compact 50-34T
• Chain: KMC X10 10-Speed
• Cassette: Shimano Tiagra CS-4600 10-Speed 11-25T
• Shifters: Shimano Tiagra ST-4600 10-Speed Double
• Rear Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra RD-4601
• Front Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra FD-4600
• Brakes: Shimano Tiagra BR-4600
• Saddle: Cell Velo Race
• Seatpost: Alloy 27.2 x 300mm Micro Adjustable
• Wheels: Shimano WH-R501 24mm Depth
• Tyres: Vittoria Zaffiro 700 x 23c
• Weight : 9.8kg
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby jimconte » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:56 pm
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby comehome » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:45 pm
To be fair, I've thrown the Cell Swift into the mix - also Tiagra - specs as above. It does seem the Cell bikes have closer to a full Sora or Tiagra groupset, whereas the BH only has the Tiagra derailleurs and levers. Does this matter much? Any notable shortcomings in the Zaphire specs?
Would still love to hear of anyone with Zaphire or even just BH experience. And yes, I'll certainly be test-riding
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby nickobec » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:03 pm
FSA crankset vs Tiagra crankset, probably not a lot of difference performance wise, but it probably saved BH a few dollars a unit.
it is good value for money check http://bikeexchange.com.au you will not see any other new tiagra equipped bikes at that price in Vic.
BH have been around for a while, 100 years it appears, Spanish, you often see french pro teams riding them, like AG2R in the past, Sojasun now
Will be no different from an alloy entry level Malvern Star/Giant/Specialized/Orbea/etc built in SE Asia to a budget, with a brand label attached
can't spot any obvious flaws, and most entry level gear nowadays is good, reliable and not clunky
it is a little more exotic that a Cell/MS or Giant
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby Duck! » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:20 pm
Sorta, but not entirely. However, the 4600 Tiagra shifters are essentially (now two generations old) 7800-series Dura-Ace, and are utterly brilliant.jimconte wrote:I run the old tiagra 4500 9speed and I have also ridden a bike with old 105 groupset. Both were brilliant and I believe that if your getting the tiagra 4600(2013) it is the same as the old 105. I cant say if the new sora is bad but I doubt it but I can confirm that tiagra is perfect for entry level.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby ozdavo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:12 pm
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby comehome » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:09 pm
Call me shallow but I just really dislike the look of the BH, ha ha. I'm a designer by trade - shoot me.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby comehome » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:24 pm
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby im_no_pro » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Not sure who told you this, I was looking at BH's 4-5 years ago when I bought my first Roadie. John Trevorrow used to sell them prior to shutting his shop up, not sure how widely available they were though. As already pointed out, its a bloody good buy at that price.comehome wrote: I understand BH is reasonably new to Australia but I'm struggling to find much feedback on the brand, much less the frame.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby DTdotcom » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:34 pm
I'm sure you know this but you need to ride a bike to compare it.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby thejester » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:45 am
Zaphira is heavy frame compared to Giant Defy.
Tiagra is bulletproof, shift quality is similar to 105 but there is a weight penalty. If you are lazy with maintenance Tiagra is perfect for you.
At $550 and 9.5kg the Cell is very good value. This year Sora have done away with the thumb shift. Sell the wheels, buy some braccianos and drop another 500grms to get a sub 9kg bike for under $1k
For $699 I would be very happy with a Zaphira. At normal retail of $1399 I would go for the Giant Defy.
I sell both.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby comehome » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:53 am
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby thejester » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:56 am
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby thejester » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:57 am
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby Duck! » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:47 am
I'd say the Tiagra shift quality is better than 105. The whole 7900/6700/5700 family of shifters is a backward step from the shift quality of the previous generation. 4600 (i.e current) Tiagra shifters are heavily comprised of 7800 Dura-Ace mechanicals, plus there's the significanly lower friction thanks to the "clothesline" gear cables, so they perform well above their perceived level. The main weight penalty is in the solid crank (105 introduces Hollowtech crank arms) and the all-steel cassette sprockets - no alloy spiders.thejester wrote: Tiagra is bulletproof, shift quality is similar to 105 but there is a weight penalty.
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby mezla » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:00 pm
I happen to have a spare carbon seat post, a spare set of Reynolds Solitudes with nice conti tyres and latex tubes. Should be a nice little upgrade straight off the bat to help get her hooked
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Re: BH Zaphire Tiagra - yay or nay?
Postby briztoon » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:28 pm
While at the TDF we were looking at all the teams and equipment before the sign on period on one stage. One of the group is an expat Pom LBS owner who has his store in Townsville. He used to race at a fairly high level in UK before moving to Australia. When we came to Sojasun he commented on the BH bike being rubbish and the frame wouldn't last more than a year. I asked him why, and he said something about the frames being the worst on the market (in terms of those at the tour) and having a very poor life span.
His original comment was unsolicited and his opinion. I just found it interesting at the time, as the BH bikes were the only bikes he criticised, and it came with absolutely no prompting at the time.
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