Indi Condor-Lightweight

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Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:32 pm

On the way to work today I came across a Indi Condor (stamped 84 ) 6 speed freewheel with full Shimano arrow group.
Its a Kuhawara frame with the inscription lightweight and another badge with Ishiwata Magny- there's more writing on it but to faded to read.
The seat post is 26.8mm.
Any ideas what type of steel this may be :?:
Thanks

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby Minority » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:12 pm

Ishiwata is a high quality Japanese tubing manufacturer.

Their Magny tubesets came in two flavours, Magny X & Magny V.

I believe that it is a Manganese-Molybdenum alloy of steel (as is Reynolds 531) rather than the more common Chromium-Molybdenum (CroMo) alloy

The tubeset is seamed rather than seamless.

The following link is a great resource for finding out about steel tubesets:

http://desperadocycles.com/The_Lowdown_ ... Tubing.htm

Good luck with your Indi Condor!!

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby munga » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:17 pm

hope you picked it up.
ishiwata magny v/ex/exo tubing.
shimano golden arrow components.
certainly not a cheap bike in it's day.
worth saving and passing on i reckon

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:39 am

Munga wrote
hope you picked it up.



Yeah I did the right thing and saved it from scrap :D .
I will post a pic once I give it a clean.

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:06 am

A few pics of the CondorImage

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:44 am

Image
Golden Arrow RD

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby thommo09 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:00 pm

That's hot, I look forward to seeing it all nice and shiny :wink:

...and with the bars lowered a bit! :shock:

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby Minority » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:46 pm

Snap - although yours is in much better condition.

Even the garage door is a similar colour!

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Mine originally had the Shimano 105 "Golden Arrow" group and most likely will again.

By the way that groupset will polish up really nicely with a bit of effort.

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:17 pm

Minority-Yeah but your garage door looks better than mine.
That green frame looks nice what is it?
And what did you use to polish up that RD :?:

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby Minority » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:47 am

zues wrote:That green frame looks nice what is it?


Wish I knew, it had already had a crappy repaint in white (and had no decals) before I repainted it green .

zues wrote:And what did you use to polish up that RD :?:


I used a buffing wheel on a bench grinder with an alloy buffing compound, then finished off with Autosol

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby rustguard » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:47 pm

nice bike is in great condition

I have the same frame myself with the same groupo on it, just missing the FD. decals have been almost scraped off can just read the indi condor. It has a kurahara headset on it and looked like kurahara lugwork so I figured it for a good quality kurahara frame. then I found 'by kurahara' written on the chainstay. the tube sticker is mostly gone can read the magny but all the other writing is rubbed/faded away. do you have any closeups of the tubing sticker? other than that the frame is in good condition.

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:27 pm

Hi Rustguard
I got a picture but you cant read anything apart from Magny and just faintly Ishiwata. At the moment having problems with photobucket
My frames 55cm cc ST X55cm cc TT
with 165 cranks-to small for me
What's yours :?:
Henry

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:34 pm

here's the decal[img][IMG]http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv48/hjs_09/DSC_1637.jpg[/img][/img]

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby rustguard » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:48 pm

mine is a 57 or 58 it too has 165mm cranks on it. how tall are you?

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby zues » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:23 pm

Rustguard Im 186cm and a bit.

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby prador » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:59 pm

Hi,
Long time lurker first time poster here.
I resurrected this thread because I recently picked up one of these Indi Condor's and I had a few questions that I thought the experts around here could help me with. It is pretty much the same as is shown here: Magny V frame (decal is faded but legible) and it has pretty much complete Golden Arrow groupset except someone has swapped out the original brake levers for the suicide variety. I don't know much about these early Shimano components but the braking is truly awful. I am fixing it up for my son who wants a steel bike and this should do the job for a start. Everything works so it will mainly be a strip down and replace all the bearings/cables etc.

Anyway, the paint job is pretty chipped in places so I was planning on getting it blasted and powdercoated. I'm in Perth (North of the River) and if anyone could point me at a decent powdercoater here I would be grateful? I did get some quotes but one was OTT and the other couldn't do it until January (and they're miles away - southside).

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:50 pm

I would assume ancient hardened brake pads would be the most likely cause, a few bucks on new pads should give a big improvement.
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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby prador » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:54 pm

ldrcycles wrote:I would assume ancient hardened brake pads would be the most likely cause, a few bucks on new pads should give a big improvement.
No doubt you are right. The blocks weren't too bad but I replaced them and did improve things. I was mainly referring to the older single pivot brakes vs the double pivots that I have got used too.

I didn't have much luck squeezing a better powder coating price nearby so I'm going to go with the Southside mob that everyone here seems to recommend for bikes. In the meantime I've caught the bug and picked up a Norco with Ishawata EX tubing and forks which is a bit nicer frame but has quite a lot of surface rust.

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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby Thoglette » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:00 pm

prador wrote:No doubt you are right. The blocks weren't too bad but I replaced them and did improve things. I was mainly referring to the older single pivot brakes vs the double pivots that I have got used too.

They shouldn't be "truly awful". While there's a little more flex in the older brakes they should be fine if OK.

Check:
* dead pads (done - hope you put in ones as good as the ones in your double pivots - Swisstop or Koolstop or..)
* gumming of the caliper and pivots. Simply disassembling; cleaning; lubing and reassembly can do wonders.
* dead cable inners. Bent, rusted, frayed etc.
* rusted or worn cable outers
* lever problems (rare but not unheard of- particularly if someone has moved the lever and limited it's movement).
* finally, badly adjusted, perhaps to compensate for not-so-straight wheels

Yes, all other things being equal modern double pivots from the same brand/groupset should be noticeably better. But not chalk and cheese (with a few notable exceptions)
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Re: Indi Condor-Lightweight

Postby prador » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:05 pm

Thoglette wrote:
prador wrote:No doubt you are right. The blocks weren't too bad but I replaced them and did improve things. I was mainly referring to the older single pivot brakes vs the double pivots that I have got used too.

They shouldn't be "truly awful". While there's a little more flex in the older brakes they should be fine if OK.
Check:...

I replaced the outer and the cable and it wasn't too bad since my son insisted on using it before I could fix it up properly. Anyway, it's all moot now because it got flogged even though it had a pretty heavy duty cable lock on it. All I can say is it must have been pretty dark.

Not to worry, in the meantime I picked up a bike with a nice Ishiwata EX frame and forks so the project is still on.

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