m@ wrote:I don't read wellington_street's post as contradicting that though; the pedestrian shouldn't have started to cross but the driver was required to give way to them once they did.
Yep, that's exactly what I meant.
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Postby wellington_street » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:50 pm
m@ wrote:I don't read wellington_street's post as contradicting that though; the pedestrian shouldn't have started to cross but the driver was required to give way to them once they did.
Postby twizzle » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:53 pm
zero wrote:twizzle wrote:
See ARR 62 (1). Drivers are required to give way to pedestrians when turning at an intersection with traffic lights. Also covered by ARR 68 & 69 as well for when there aren't traffic lights. Basically... ped crossing lights at intersections have no effect on the drivers/riders obligations.
A road user isn't required to give way to someone approaching or on the footpath corner when turning - only someone that is _on_ the roadway. (62-1 in the ACT for this intersection). Relative speeds (and hence visibility through windshield) of the 2 parties on approach actually matter a fair bit, both for police choosing to charge, and for civil torts. Far left corner impact or side impact and the driver is likely to not be charged.
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Postby PB12IN » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:04 pm
Boognoss wrote:beauyboy wrote:Personally when ever I see any reckless behaviour by anyone I have two words
"Darwin's Theory"
I refuse to give respect for someone that does not respect themselves!
Donald
Same here. Sure I've done stupid things, mostly by accident and some deliberately (but I'll blame long distant youth on that) but everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions. That's something that seems to occur less and less in this "it's someone else's fault" society.
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Postby Boognoss » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:46 am
PB12IN wrote:Boognoss wrote:beauyboy wrote:Personally when ever I see any reckless behaviour by anyone I have two words
"Darwin's Theory"
I refuse to give respect for someone that does not respect themselves!
Donald
Same here. Sure I've done stupid things, mostly by accident and some deliberately (but I'll blame long distant youth on that) but everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions. That's something that seems to occur less and less in this "it's someone else's fault" society.
And when said idiot does something stupid and nominates them selves for a Darwin Award with a car, no doubt the driver will be crusified by some on this forum for the cyclists death.
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Postby bychosis » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:27 pm
bychosis wrote:bychosis wrote:You really have to wonder at some people. Went for a quick pedal before work today and saw a dumb jogger. Jogging on the road, on a roundabout, no shoulder lane, over the kerb from grassed park, 15 paces from a shared pathway along the foreshore. I didn't see where she ended up, but it looked like she was going to jog along the fogline past a row of parked cars. Also dressed in black, running with the traffic ie back to oncoming traffic.
So it wasn't a one off either, saw the same dumb, dressed in black jogger on the same route this morning. This morning watched her jogging along the fog line, between parked cars and traffic before the roundabout.
Postby jasonc » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:06 pm
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Postby human909 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:19 pm
bychosis wrote:bychosis wrote:bychosis wrote:You really have to wonder at some people. Went for a quick pedal before work today and saw a dumb jogger. Jogging on the road, on a roundabout, no shoulder lane, over the kerb from grassed park, 15 paces from a shared pathway along the foreshore. I didn't see where she ended up, but it looked like she was going to jog along the fogline past a row of parked cars. Also dressed in black, running with the traffic ie back to oncoming traffic.
So it wasn't a one off either, saw the same dumb, dressed in black jogger on the same route this morning. This morning watched her jogging along the fog line, between parked cars and traffic before the roundabout.
Have seen this jogger again along the same section a few times, but Friday made me really wonder. Driving to work got startled by someone on the centre of a roundabout, same stupid jogger. There are two ped crossover points on this roundabout and plenty of footpaths in the area and she chose to cross where traffic does not expect to see pedestrians.
Postby bychosis » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:07 am
human909 wrote:Oh dear? Somebody think of the motorists!
I cross through the centre of roundabouts all the time. Whats the problem? Or are we becoming so regulated that we must only walk where we are expected?
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Postby martinjs » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:58 pm
Oh dear? Somebody think of the motorists!
I cross through the centre of roundabouts all the time. Whats the problem? Or are we becoming so regulated that we must only walk where we are expected?
Postby wellington_street » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:06 pm
martinjs wrote:Oh dear? Somebody think of the motorists!
I cross through the centre of roundabouts all the time. Whats the problem? Or are we becoming so regulated that we must only walk where we are expected?
The words' "double standards" cross my mind.
Lets or winge about motorist doing the wrong think, kick showtime out of them and all that.
BUT lets break all the road rules ourselves.![]()
Postby zero » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:12 pm
bychosis wrote:human909 wrote:Oh dear? Somebody think of the motorists!
I cross through the centre of roundabouts all the time. Whats the problem? Or are we becoming so regulated that we must only walk where we are expected?
How to respond to this....
This jogger is obviously inconsiderate of others. On the occasions I have observed there have been much better alternatives available, nearby footpaths is one, plenty of area out of traffic etc. There is such a thing as being selfish when using roads and this was another classic example. We all need to share the road system wether on foot, on bike or in car and following a few basic courtesies makes the system work. Jogging across a two lane roundabout to the vegetated centre and then off again is putting yourself in a dangerous situation easily avoided. It is the act of a dumb pedestrian.
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