Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

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Re: Laugh, it's Friday

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:33 am

Thoglette wrote:Laugh it's Friday


Sorry didn't find it funny.
When you get all the mamils, lycra wannabes, mid life crisis etc etc cliches thrown repeatedly from the general public it wears thin.
To hear it from those within the cycling community is just annoying. It only serves to cause seperation.
The point about not being judgemental about ones choice to wear or not, a helmet, could have been made more effectively without the mockery.
Would perjorative terms about utilitarian cyclists have been funny to you?
It just serves to make us a more divided rabble than we are already.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby outnabike » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

statistical analysis of helmet efficacy in UCI races.

All I see is on the front page,is a bloke holding a poor tortoise by the tail...ought to be stopped. :)
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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby human909 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:36 pm

warthog1 wrote:You yourself have previously argued bunch cycling increases collision risk H909.
If it is going to increase collision risk surely it is prudent to protect one's noggin.

No argument from me for individual choice. I'd choose a helmet too. But I'd also respect other peoples' choices

warthog1 wrote:Stupid article that uses divisive language and doesn't advance any cause imo.

Come on. Be comfortable in the skin you choose. The tribes exist and ignoring them is head in the sand stuff. Recognising them with a smile is better than trying to pretend they don't exist.

There is always going to be some friendly banter between sub groups. No different with snowboarders and skiers (or countless other I could list).

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Re: Laugh, it's Friday

Postby human909 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:42 pm

warthog1 wrote:Would perjorative terms about utilitarian cyclists have been funny to you?

Yeah pretty much. Go nuts.

Recognise the common ground and laugh about the differences. Watch me in my jeans leave you in my dust once the lights go green, don't worry you'll have your shoes clipped in shortly and I'll soon be seeing you disappear into the distance once you get up to speed and I run of of breath in 100m.

warthog1 wrote:When you get all the mamils, lycra wannabes, mid life crisis etc etc cliches thrown repeatedly from the general public it wears thin.
To hear it from those within the cycling community is just annoying. It only serves to cause seperation.

Does it? Does it really?

They are stereotypes for a reason. Have a laugh and embrace the separation and differences that do exist. I know I do.

I've cycled with and enjoyed being virtually every stereotype you could imagine. I've slipped into rides with people on the otherside of the world. All you need is a smile.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:23 pm

The author criticised "roadies" for making judgement calls about helmets or the lack thereof.
He then went on to make judgement calls about said "roadies" choices of equipment and motivations for same.

Then was nothing new or fresh about any of it. It was just a tired old rehash of the same cliches and categorisations.
I found it peurile.

Just sick of it I guess.
I'd rather unifying topics and language.
As I said we are a divided rabble.
Emphasizing difference doesn't serve to address the division.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby human909 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:00 pm

warthog1 wrote:The author criticised "roadies" for making judgement calls about helmets or the lack thereof.

Yes.

warthog1 wrote:He then went on to make judgement calls about said "roadies" choices of equipment and motivations for same.

I don't see him criticising or judging 'roadies' as an entire group. I'm sure Eben would happily categorise himself as a roadie at times too.
Seriously have a look at the line between humour, satire and the real discussion.

In the words of the author:

"While I love cycling and embrace it in all its forms, I'm also extremely critical. So I present to you my venting for your amusement and betterment. No offense meant to the critiqued. Always keep riding!"

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:17 pm

human909 wrote:
warthog1 wrote:The author criticised "roadies" for making judgement calls about helmets or the lack thereof.

Yes.

warthog1 wrote:He then went on to make judgement calls about said "roadies" choices of equipment and motivations for same.

I don't see him criticising or judging 'roadies' as an entire group. I'm sure Eben would happily categorise himself as a roadie at times too.
Seriously have a look at the line between humour, satire and the real discussion.

In the words of the author:

"While I love cycling and embrace it in all its forms, I'm also extremely critical. So I present to you my venting for your amusement and betterment. No offense meant to the critiqued. Always keep riding!"


I am repeating myself.
It was not amusing.
It wasn't fresh.
It wasn't new.
It wasn't intelligent
It was tired, old and clichéd.
There was no betterment.

Given I am repeating myself, that'll do from me.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby human909 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:42 pm

warthog1 wrote:It wasn't fresh.
It wasn't new.
It wasn't intelligent
It was tired, old and clichéd.
There was no betterment.


Yeah, when on going issues stay ongoing we should start ignoring them because they aren't fresh and new. They get old tired and clichéd. We should move on and ignore it. :roll:

The issue of cyclists dying on the roads is no longer fresh and new. I say we move on from that too.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:54 pm

human909 wrote:
warthog1 wrote:It wasn't fresh.
It wasn't new.
It wasn't intelligent
It was tired, old and clichéd.
There was no betterment.


Yeah, when on going issues stay ongoing we should start ignoring them because they aren't fresh and new. They get old tired and clichéd. We should move on and ignore it. :roll:

The issue of cyclists dying on the roads is no longer fresh and new. I say we move on from that too.


Ffs
Context.
In order to qualify as even remotely amusing it needs to have at least one of those characteristics.
From my perspective that piece did not
Ergo it was not in the slightest amusing.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby fat and old » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:18 pm

human909 wrote:
In the words of the author:

"While I love cycling and embrace it in all its forms, I'm also extremely critical. So I present to you my venting for your amusement and betterment. No offense meant to the critiqued. Always keep riding!"


I’m very respectful of women, I just don’t understand why they dress so provocatively.

Some of my best friends are Aboriginals and they agree with me that ATSIC.....

Just because they walk around in large groups doesn’t mean they’re a gang

Of course she’s entitled to live safely. Why provoke him though?

No offense meant. Keep scrolling.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby Thoglette » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:18 pm

warthog1 wrote:In order to qualify as even remotely amusing it needs to have at least one of those characteristics.
From my perspective that piece did not
Ergo it was not in the slightest amusing.

Which is fine. For me it resonated with a number of my own behaviours so tickled the funny bone.

Eben's style is, well, a particular snarking, self focused style which I associate with NYC in that it has similarities to people from Woody Allen to Anthony Bourdain. I don't include Seinfeld because, despite probably being similar _I_ rarely found him funny.
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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby LateStarter » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:40 pm

Was cleaning up some old favourites and rediscovered this one (you have probably seen it), makes we want to cry,

The fall of bike share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADoy7GgnF_s

The Lime Bikes seem to be doing well but many of them I see have had their nice looking helmets borrowed and not returned.

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Re: Mandatory Helmet Laws & stuff (MHL discussion)

Postby g-boaf » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:57 am

warthog1 wrote:Ffs
Context.
In order to qualify as even remotely amusing it needs to have at least one of those characteristics.
From my perspective that piece did not
Ergo it was not in the slightest amusing.


Just ride heaps, then you'll not have the time to worry about what other people write. Let the utility riding advocates spend all their days online typing away while you actually go somewhere on your bike. I bet I do more commuting/utility kinds of riding than they do.

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