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The exception for bicycles is that they can stay in the left lane and turn right. The rule applies to a car that entered from the same entry but in the right hand lane - they are entitled to go straight ahead & the cyclist must give way to them before turning right
If they entered from the left lane the same as the cyclist, it cannot arise as the car must turn left or go straight ahead.
If they entered from the next entry, it shouldn't arise as they should be using the same exit as the cyclist
In my experience the default rules never apply at multi-lane roundabouts & there are always traffic arrows intended for the usual traffic flow.
Do you have a particular multi-lane roundabout in mind
I prefer to avoid multi-lane roundabouts and when I can't, I enter the roundabout in accordance with the usual vehicle rules - ie if I'm turning right I will be in the right hand lane.
A common misconception is about cars approaching a roundabout - there is no right to enter a roundabout at the speed limit & no-one is required to give way to a car approaching a roundabout.
A single lane roundabout near me that illustrate that this behaviour makes roundabouts dangerous. Sibbick St, Bilby St & Byrne Ave Abbotsford - cars traveling on Bilby St approach the roundabout as if everybody must give way to them - they are then unable or unwilling to stop when I enter the roundabout from Sibbick St turning right.
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It states that;
4 . Scope of regulations
(1) Unless the context requires otherwise, these regulations apply to persons, vehicles and things on roads only, and where a provision of these regulations requires, or prohibits, the doing of any act or thing, that requirement or prohibition relates to the doing of that act or thing, on a road.
(2) Where a provision of these regulations requires, or prohibits, the doing of any act or thing on a path, that requirement or prohibition only relates to the doing of that act or thing, on the path if the path forms a part of a road.
How I understand this is; everything contained in the road traffic code 200 only applies if you are on the road, not a path.
Anything within the code can only be applied to paths, if that particular code specifically refers to a path, & that path forms part of the road.
Putting aside whether a path "forms part of the road" by simply being within the road reserve. There are a lot of rules within the code (including helmets & phones) that do not include the term paths. And if they did, would not be applicable on a path not associated with a road. For example, through parks where there is no road.
Am I reading too much from this?
To me it reads like the RTC 2000 is not applicable on any path, unless it is within the road reserve, and the a regulation specifically includes paths.
I'm not sure if I'm willing to test this with regard to helmets, but I'm interested in others interpretation.
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Cycleops70 wrote:I have a question related to the scope of the WA road traffic code 200 (section 2)
This is one of those questions that probably won't be satisfactorily resolved without an actual lawyer or possibly a judge but, for what it is worth, it is my understanding that the RTC2000 does not apply on a path away from a road/outside of a road reserve. In areas away from roads the relevant council bylaws apply instead (and may include restrictions on cycling and helmets).
The definition of road used in the Code is sufficiently wide that I believe it includes all paths within the road reserve as being part of a 'road'. The term Carriageway is used in the Code to refer to what a layperson calls a road.
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Scott_C wrote:Cycleops70 wrote:I have a question related to the scope of the WA road traffic code 200 (section 2)
This is one of those questions that probably won't be satisfactorily resolved without an actual lawyer or possibly a judge but,
...it was discussed at length in the Western Australia sub-forum a few years back. The discussion involved a number of people with access to legal advice and case law (as part of their day job) and the collective opinion was that Scott's view is correct.
The caveat is that section 73 of the act notes that "Certain offences extend to driving or attempting to drive in public places" applies to certain motor vehicle offences. In fact, most of the interesting ones (DUI, stopping at accidents etc). However it does not include Section 111 under which the Regulations are made.
There are other references to public places and car parks (e.g. around road rage etc.) within the act. Some of these may affect cyclists.
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Would police be able to enforce bylaws? Or is that the responsibility of local government only?
Thoglette, are you referring to the road traffic act 1974, not the road traffic code 2000?
If so, I agree, the drink driving law within that is clearly applicable to any public place. But refers to motor vehicles only.
I can't find any reference to bicycle helmets within the RTA 1974.
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