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Re: Diet Thread

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:39 pm

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mikesbytes wrote:I particularly like the one "I'm on medication X, if I follow your diet Y then can I stop taking X" possibly the correct answer from the viewpoint of the tuber promoting Y is "Y will improve your situation considerably but don't stop taking X until your Doctor has advised you its OK to stop" but I'm betting there will be a range of different answers and possibly some tubers who completely ignore the question.


These uber researcher geeks and sometimes health pros are entitled to have an opinion based on published research. Most don't read deep enough though to understand and see the ambiguities re a particular issue. i.e. warfarin is a med for reducing risk of inappropriate blood clotting. But eating a healthy diet should be able to do the same, and heal unhealthy arteries simultaneously. The GP line is to advise not to eat significantly dark green leafy plants when taking warfarin. There's a healthier balance though that few drill down to.

Good point CK, in that case even suggesting that you use their diet Y is dangerous and that brings up the point of not working outside of what you are trained for
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Re: Diet Thread

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:18 pm

What's your guess on the Calories/Kj?

Small Cappuccino, full cream milk, chocolate sprinkle, no sugar or anything else extra. Spinach and Feta muffin with a small amount of sun dried tomato on top

No cheating by looking up the web site :)

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Re: Diet Thread

Postby march83 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:30 pm

Small Cap will be roughly 200mL of milk so let's call that 140cals

The muffin is hard. I'm going to call it about 450cals. Oil in the sundried tomato, feta has a little fat and protein, the pan oil, butter and a decent dose of flour adds up pretty quickly.
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Re: Diet Thread

Postby CKinnard » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:42 pm

I'll also go 140 on the coffee.
400 Cals on the muffin.

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Re: Diet Thread

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:08 pm

Not bad at all, I think they rated the cap at 752Kj which is 179 calories. The muffin is 1520Kj which is 361 calories, a total of 540 calories

While way short of a balanced meal for a host of reasons the overall Kj input is acceptable for active males. The problem of course is that this kind of consumption is not a meal but is a snack between meals for many.
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Re: Diet Thread

Postby Nobody » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:39 pm

mikesbytes wrote:While way short of a balanced meal for a host of reasons the overall Kj input is acceptable for active males. The problem of course is that this kind of consumption is not a meal but is a snack between meals for many.

Yes, hopefully it's been well established in this thread that most of the world's population eat pretty poorly. I was reading a news article on salt today which I won't post because it was more fake news than anything. But it did highlight what The Heart Foundation recommends to eat. Although I'm not surprised, I'm concerned that such a body is still ignoring a large chunk of dietary science in actually promoting animal products and veg oils as heart healthy. In the minority of cases that people actually take heed of these type of recommendations, it's yet another official body at odds with what I generally post on these threads. What is surprising is they claim not to be reliant on industry funding. So they're not under any financial pressure, but are still influenced anyway.

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Re: Diet Thread

Postby CKinnard » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:23 pm

I had a patient yesterday with 9 mth history of trochanteric bursitis, basically an inflamed bursa near the part of the hip bone that digs into a bed when side lying. She works for a group of medical specialists, so has had every scan known to man, and a cortisone shot which did nothing. Mind you, there are multiple bursa and even when using ultrasound guidance for the injection, they don't necessarily inject the pain origin. This is a significant issue these days, where specialists and GPs are led MOST by imaging, and rarely confirm via palpation and orthopedic tests where the pain is originating from.

She was seriously fed up with the pain as it has prevented her from walking, and she is gaining weight.
Anyway, I did a very comprehensive assessment, and strung together the mechanism of injury or pathology in a way that she followed. Because she understood, she was able to take on board why nutrition and hydration is a serious part of settling the bursitis, and its upstream causes. lumbar spine facet jt arthritic inflammation. THe consult took an hour, 15 mins longer than priced, but she feels empowered and has a diet plan, conservative treatment plan, and excellent comprehension of the condition.

As always is the case with inflammatory issues in my clinical experience, hydration and nutrition are always sub par. Late nights, moderate to heavy alcohol intake, and some emotional stress are at play.

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