KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby Neddysmith » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:11 am

On a recent ride i ws checking a couple of my PBs and checked out this segment

https://www.strava.com/segments/700052

Top 4 , seem legit, hahahaha

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby silentC » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:32 am

Hmm, well we did have a guy who had a short segment here at 89kph. I was with him when he did it too. He was drafting a B Double. Speed limit was 80kph though.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby jasonc » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:15 pm

Flag em
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby Philistine » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:53 pm

What about this little beauty? 6000+ on the leaderboard and you have to go down several pages before you find a ride that looks plausible. Did I mention that you can't legally ride a bike here?

https://www.strava.com/segments/1191766

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby silentC » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:28 pm

I have ridden through there years ago. I got it up over 60 in the tunnel without even really trying. It was like having a massive tail wind. If you have a look at the actual rides, the max speeds are nowhere near the speed they've been given for the segment. The guy at the top has max speed of 81.7k on the ride itself.

Some segments I have noticed are a bit screwy, especially if they are short. There is one nearby here which shows speeds more than double what you actually did. I queried it with Strava and they checked it out but said they couldn't do anything because it was something to do with the short distance and the GPS coords. In other words too hard basket.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby vosadrian » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Perhaps we could have a race of the injured for Neale Ave!! :-)

It is hardly a coveted KOM with only 100 or so other riders on a small back street moderate climb, but the times on it are very fast so I will have a go at it in when I have some form (if that ever happens!!). To get it will take a 45 second effort of 700+W which not many can do. Queequeg and I are similar level riders when we were at our peaks which was not at the same time unfortunately. Both of us have suffered with health/injury so it is a shame we have never been riding at our peak at the same time to have some good friendly Strava rivalry which is one of the things I enjoy most about Strava!! If anything, I would say that Queequeg is stronger on a longer effort, and I would be stronger at shorter efforts. I think we could both beat the current KOM if we were on form and got our good bikes out with no commuting luggage.... but no point talking it up... lets just get our fitness up and let the bikes do the talking!

I agree with posts above..... just flag stuff that is clearly not right. I normally give the rider a few days to correct it and then I flag it. My way of doing that is just to file the Strava emails of lost KOMs and go through them once a week. I typically flag about 5 rides a week of which 99% are clearly in cars and 80% of them are repeat offenders... probably about 90% male and 10% female which is probably similar to the ratio of males to females registered on Strava. I would say 95% are accidental when someone forgets to stop an activity and drives home and could not be bothers to crop the ride. Then there are some who seem to enjoy going on drives with Strava running just to annoy Strava users by taking their KOMs.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby queequeg » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:50 pm

Philistine wrote:What about this little beauty? 6000+ on the leaderboard and you have to go down several pages before you find a ride that looks plausible. Did I mention that you can't legally ride a bike here?

https://www.strava.com/segments/1191766


Amateurs!

https://www.strava.com/segments/10239804

KOM Speed is 715km/h lol You have the KOM, You have the KOM...you all have the KOM!
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby queequeg » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:43 pm

vosadrian wrote:Perhaps we could have a race of the injured for Neale Ave!! :-)

It is hardly a coveted KOM with only 100 or so other riders on a small back street moderate climb, but the times on it are very fast so I will have a go at it in when I have some form (if that ever happens!!). To get it will take a 45 second effort of 700+W which not many can do. Queequeg and I are similar level riders when we were at our peaks which was not at the same time unfortunately. Both of us have suffered with health/injury so it is a shame we have never been riding at our peak at the same time to have some good friendly Strava rivalry which is one of the things I enjoy most about Strava!! If anything, I would say that Queequeg is stronger on a longer effort, and I would be stronger at shorter efforts. I think we could both beat the current KOM if we were on form and got our good bikes out with no commuting luggage.... but no point talking it up... lets just get our fitness up and let the bikes do the talking!


Yep, that wouldn't be far off. I wish had the power meter back when I set the KOM. The closest one I have with power is a 50s time (https://www.strava.com/activities/808435576#19744007133), and it was off the back of a hard day, plus a massive PR on the Westbound M2 Run. I had a 636W AVG power with 900W Max, which sits pretty much in my comfort zone.

My favourite one is the M2 Segment from the Murray Farm Rd Bridge to the Exit Ramp Crossover for Cyclists (https://www.strava.com/segments/6643464), even more so because I did it with a Pannier bag hanging off the side, on my heavy commuter bike. I happened to get that one on video, which is good because a few people doubted it was genuine

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby nemo57 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:46 pm

Frightening, in more ways than one! I take off my hat to yez

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby chriso_29er » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:15 pm

Flagged my first ride tonight. Was an obvious motor powered vehicle. Took a KOM with a heart beat of 110!
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby jasonc » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:19 am

Chriso - yes. But they don't get told who flagged their ride
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby chriso_29er » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:26 am

Thanks Jason.
It was a bit strange, the same guy uploaded the ride to two different profiles, so held a dual KOM which was quiet obviously done with motor power of some kind.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby find_bruce » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:40 pm

jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:

Get the error message "Cannot create a flag on an activity that already has a resolved flag."

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby jasonc » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:38 pm

find_bruce wrote:
jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:

Get the error message "Cannot create a flag on an activity that already has a resolved flag."


check out the speeds. me thinks someone has been bluffed. now i'll have to log 8 separate cases with strava to get them fixed.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby jasonc » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:44 pm

jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:
http://www.strava.com/activities/913020325 - in a car from 3:40
http://www.strava.com/activities/1140449883 - in a car from 2:00 to 2:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/1126157324 - last 3kms in the car, title even says so
https://www.strava.com/activities/1378757207 - in a motor vehicle from 3:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/225366167 - in a motor vehicle from 2:10
https://www.strava.com/activities/1480660548 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/1215848246 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/23731746 - in a motor vehicle from 1:25
https://www.strava.com/activities/1261203923 - i can't work out what is going on here, but it's way too fast for a bike
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby Rhubarb » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:39 pm

I've only very recently signed up to KOMDefender. Pretty funny to see a few of my own rides come back as suspect :-) Understandable though given I don't wear a HRM unless its a special ride, and I track my rides just with a phone, no garmin, so no cadence, and lastly I ride a velomobile in a hilly area so I exceed 70km/hr on every ride.

Most weird was a private segment I have created to track my own commute times. Of course I hold the KOM for that segment - I'm the only one on it and no-one else can see it!!!

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby find_bruce » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:00 pm

jasonc wrote:check out the speeds. me thinks someone has been bluffed. now i'll have to log 8 separate cases with strava to get them fixed.
I agree - looking at http://www.strava.com/activities/913020325 - he has power, heart rate & cadence up to km 79 - then nothing & his seed go up to 60km/h - looks for all the world like the bike went into the car.

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby g-boaf » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:17 pm

Rhubarb wrote:I've only very recently signed up to KOMDefender. Pretty funny to see a few of my own rides come back as suspect :-) Understandable though given I don't wear a HRM unless its a special ride, and I track my rides just with a phone, no garmin, so no cadence, and lastly I ride a velomobile in a hilly area so I exceed 70km/hr on every ride.

Most weird was a private segment I have created to track my own commute times. Of course I hold the KOM for that segment - I'm the only one on it and no-one else can see it!!!


70km/h shouldn't be anything that would cause any suspicion if there is a downhill section, especially with those velomobiles - they fly downhill. On my way home this afternoon I was doing 71km/h on a main road on my bike. Remember I'm only 60kg and the bike isn't much above 6.5kg with everything on it.

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby Philistine » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:49 pm

jasonc wrote:
jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:
http://www.strava.com/activities/913020325 - in a car from 3:40
http://www.strava.com/activities/1140449883 - in a car from 2:00 to 2:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/1126157324 - last 3kms in the car, title even says so
https://www.strava.com/activities/1378757207 - in a motor vehicle from 3:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/225366167 - in a motor vehicle from 2:10
https://www.strava.com/activities/1480660548 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/1215848246 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/23731746 - in a motor vehicle from 1:25
https://www.strava.com/activities/1261203923 - i can't work out what is going on here, but it's way too fast for a bike


I just tried flagging a couple of them and the messages came back that the "issues" had been resolved. In other words, somebody has previously flagged them and, in each case, the rider (so-called) has claimed to Strava that his effort was legitimate. May I suggest you open one case with Strava for all eight, and give them a serve for failing to investigate properly the first time around. Anybody with a functioning brain should be able to see that these are examples of blatant cheating. Why can't Strava?

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby JPB » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:54 pm

jasonc wrote:
jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:
http://www.strava.com/activities/913020325 - in a car from 3:40
http://www.strava.com/activities/1140449883 - in a car from 2:00 to 2:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/1126157324 - last 3kms in the car, title even says so
https://www.strava.com/activities/1378757207 - in a motor vehicle from 3:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/225366167 - in a motor vehicle from 2:10
https://www.strava.com/activities/1480660548 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/1215848246 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/23731746 - in a motor vehicle from 1:25
https://www.strava.com/activities/1261203923 - i can't work out what is going on here, but it's way too fast for a bike


That last one has dodgy GPS. Too many dead straight lines where no road exists.

I know it is possible to fake your GPS location on phones because one of my sons did it to his phone to catch different Pokemon

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby chriso_29er » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:26 pm

JPB wrote:
jasonc wrote:
jasonc wrote:I currently have a list of rides that it won't let me flag:
http://www.strava.com/activities/913020325 - in a car from 3:40
http://www.strava.com/activities/1140449883 - in a car from 2:00 to 2:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/1126157324 - last 3kms in the car, title even says so
https://www.strava.com/activities/1378757207 - in a motor vehicle from 3:20
https://www.strava.com/activities/225366167 - in a motor vehicle from 2:10
https://www.strava.com/activities/1480660548 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/1215848246 - the whole thing
https://www.strava.com/activities/23731746 - in a motor vehicle from 1:25
https://www.strava.com/activities/1261203923 - i can't work out what is going on here, but it's way too fast for a bike


That last one has dodgy GPS. Too many dead straight lines where no road exists.

I know it is possible to fake your GPS location on phones because one of my sons did it to his phone to catch different Pokemon


The thing that annoys me most is most of these the guys seem to actually be cyclist, but still do not remove a dodgy ride after being caught out. Even if it was an accident. How hard it is!
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby bychosis » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 am

Last week I had a decent tail wind. Decided to put in some effort in a short segment on the commute. Previous best 12s. This effort 10s, average speed 59km/h. The GPS gods were good to me, because the plot speeds were closer to 45km/h and I didn't expect a KOM. Wonder if it will be flagged? After the end of the segment I went back to 'normal' cycling speeds.

Short segments are a bit 'luck of the draw' when it comes to the timing of the GPS record.
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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby g-boaf » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:26 pm

chriso_29er wrote:
JPB wrote:
jasonc wrote:


That last one has dodgy GPS. Too many dead straight lines where no road exists.

I know it is possible to fake your GPS location on phones because one of my sons did it to his phone to catch different Pokemon


The thing that annoys me most is most of these the guys seem to actually be cyclist, but still do not remove a dodgy ride after being caught out. Even if it was an accident. How hard it is!
I did it once. Jumped in the car to home. Simple crop and all back to normal!


Why not just ride the bicycle over to the start of the ride, and then there is no worries about needing to turn off the GPS at the right time. I've had rides where I had to ride 50km just to get to the starting point.

I don't get how people forget to hit the stop button and save the ride. :?

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Re: KOMDefender - Do I flag this ride?

Postby bychosis » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:39 pm

g-boaf wrote:Why not just ride the bicycle over to the start of the ride, and then there is no worries about needing to turn off the GPS at the right time. I've had rides where I had to ride 50km just to get to the starting point.

If I had to ride 50km to the start point, I'd have to turn around and go home, potentially calling for the sag wagon along the way too.
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