Is that about right?
How long/far would you have to ride to get the fat burning effect? My commute to work is 13km. Shower, change and then eat a PB&J.
I'm wondering if this can help reverse the "skinny fat" thing I'm starting to notice lately

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Postby Mububban » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:04 pm
Postby Derny Driver » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:37 pm
Mububban wrote:I've read that riding fasted first thing in the day can help to burn fat. Skip breakfast, do a ride at moderate intensity (?), then eat a normal breakfast afterwards.
Is that about right?
How long/far would you have to ride to get the fat burning effect? My commute to work is 13km. Shower, change and then eat a PB&J.
I'm wondering if this can help reverse the "skinny fat" thing I'm starting to notice latelyThat and eating less chocolate (curse you, Lindt balls!!!)
Postby silentC » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:29 pm
Postby ValleyForge » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:14 pm
Mububban wrote:I've read that riding fasted first thing in the day can help to burn fat. Skip breakfast, do a ride at moderate intensity (?), then eat a normal breakfast afterwards.
Postby RonK » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:21 pm
Postby g-boaf » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:30 pm
Derny Driver wrote:Mububban wrote:I've read that riding fasted first thing in the day can help to burn fat. Skip breakfast, do a ride at moderate intensity (?), then eat a normal breakfast afterwards.
Is that about right?
How long/far would you have to ride to get the fat burning effect? My commute to work is 13km. Shower, change and then eat a PB&J.
I'm wondering if this can help reverse the "skinny fat" thing I'm starting to notice latelyThat and eating less chocolate (curse you, Lindt balls!!!)
Yep my brother does this. He does over an hour in the mornings without food so 13k should be no problem. Im not sure about the actual weight loss numbers but in theory it should work.
Ive seen another method when I did a recent trip overseas with the NRS team Im associated with. These guys are all 6 foot tall and under 70kg. Every rider counts their daily calory intake, and dials in their energy expenditure (using how many hours they rode for). Its all done with their smartphones (an app) and garmin data. The idea is to burn 300 more calories per day than you intake.
Mark Fenner explains the idea here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18u6K1odLgY
Mububban wrote:I've read that riding fasted first thing in the day can help to burn fat. Skip breakfast, do a ride at moderate intensity (?), then eat a normal breakfast afterwards.
Is that about right?
How long/far would you have to ride to get the fat burning effect? My commute to work is 13km. Shower, change and then eat a PB&J.
I'm wondering if this can help reverse the "skinny fat" thing I'm starting to notice latelyThat and eating less chocolate (curse you, Lindt balls!!!)
Postby ValleyForge » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:01 am
g-boaf wrote:The sleepy feeling someone mentioned in the afternoon I think is best dealt with by getting enough sleep in the first place, rather than trying to work, ride to and from work and manage on just 4-5 hours of sleep.
Postby march83 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:36 am
ValleyForge wrote:For myself and many I ride with, we don't ride fasting in the morning. Causes too much havoc at work in the afternoon. And hugecoffee bills
Postby g-boaf » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:04 am
ValleyForge wrote:g-boaf wrote:The sleepy feeling someone mentioned in the afternoon I think is best dealt with by getting enough sleep in the first place, rather than trying to work, ride to and from work and manage on just 4-5 hours of sleep.
What I brought up is a well described physiological phenomenon following a period of moderate fasting with exercise using ketone bodies for energy. The notion is the rebound effect following the catecholamine (adrenaline/noradrenaline) surge followed by an insulin spike driving sugar back into your muscles at the end of fasting, sponsors a prolonged period of sleepiness. Nothing to do with getting enough sleep.
For myself and many I ride with, we don't ride fasting in the morning. Causes too much havoc at work in the afternoon. And hugecoffee bills
Postby silentC » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:47 pm
Postby P!N20 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:08 pm
bsnyc wrote:Incredibly people consider this a training technique, when it is in fact quite clearly an eating disorder.
Postby ValleyForge » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:14 pm
Postby Mububban » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:37 pm
ValleyForge wrote:The sleepiness is not as common in asians. This includes sub-continental Indians too.
I only know it is most prominent in caucasians & negros.
Postby BugsBunny » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:49 pm
Postby macca33 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:05 pm
Postby g-boaf » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:52 pm
macca33 wrote:From my own personal experience - you're fairly good up to around 60Km at a moderate paced ride, ie Tempo or so, but any harder/tougher and you'll suffer. If I am doing a quick bunchie, i'll try and stuff a banana or gel in - even thought he digestive system objects!
I reckon for Recovery/Endurance rides of 50Km+, fasting probably does help burn a bit of fat - but you cannot then go silly afterwards with the 'recovery' meal!
cheers
Postby Arbuckle23 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:06 am
Postby ValleyForge » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:37 am
Mububban wrote:ValleyForge wrote:The sleepiness is not as common in asians. This includes sub-continental Indians too.
I only know it is most prominent in caucasians & negros.
I'm half asian / half caucasian so maybe I'll just take a 15 minute power nap in the afternoon
Postby Mububban » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:52 am
ValleyForge wrote:Really interesting - Asian skeletal muscle mass is significantly lower than other races so the skinny-fat shape is a real phenomenon. Your physiology tends to put building muscle-bulk at the lower end of the priority list compared with belly fat. Having said that, what I've said still holds true.
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