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"Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:27 am
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Postby bychosis » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:10 am
I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.Cyclophiliac wrote:Was this in South Bank, Brisbane? There was a news.com.au article about it. Apparently it was a drink-driver who had been banned from driving 3 separate times. Our laws are bloody pathetic and useless.
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 am
We'll just have to disagree on this, then. I think if the laws were effective, this drink driver would have been imprisoned after ignoring the driving ban for the first time. But obviously, the laws and our court system allowed this idiot to repeatedly ignore the ban.bychosis wrote:I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.Cyclophiliac wrote:Was this in South Bank, Brisbane? There was a news.com.au article about it. Apparently it was a drink-driver who had been banned from driving 3 separate times. Our laws are bloody pathetic and useless.
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby CXCommuter » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:37 am
The laws are fine, implementation is a problem.bychosis wrote:I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.Cyclophiliac wrote:Was this in South Bank, Brisbane? There was a news.com.au article about it. Apparently it was a drink-driver who had been banned from driving 3 separate times. Our laws are bloody pathetic and useless.
Attitude amongst almost the entire general population regarding driving is atrocious. This extends to law enforcement too, meaning the issue with law enforcement.
As it stands anyone can get into a vehicle and drive... it does not require a license, just keys, a vehicle and fuel... as evidenced by the 10s of thousands driving unlicensed in NSW. How many times have I read of some twit in court for driving unlicensed.. walk out of court and get back into the car they drove to the court in.
In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby Strawburger » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:08 pm
BingoCXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
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Postby Mulger bill » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:08 pm
Yarp, sooner the betterStrawburger wrote:BingoCXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
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Postby Cheesewheel » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:57 am
Then they will say "Get off the road, you don't utilize automated driving technology."Mulger bill wrote:Yarp, sooner the betterStrawburger wrote:BingoCXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 am
I'd be astonished if one of those morons had enough brain cells to utter the word "utilise".Cheesewheel wrote:Then they will say "Get off the road, you don't utilize automated driving technology."Mulger bill wrote:Yarp, sooner the betterStrawburger wrote:
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Postby madmacca » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:38 am
Perhaps impounding the car of a repeat driving ban offender might be an intermediate step before imprisonment? Yes, they can potentially get around it by borrowing someone else's car, but if they scoff at that law, then prison is definitely justified.Cyclophiliac wrote:We'll just have to disagree on this, then. I think if the laws were effective, this drink driver would have been imprisoned after ignoring the driving ban for the first time. But obviously, the laws and our court system allowed this idiot to repeatedly ignore the ban.bychosis wrote:I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.Cyclophiliac wrote:Was this in South Bank, Brisbane? There was a news.com.au article about it. Apparently it was a drink-driver who had been banned from driving 3 separate times. Our laws are bloody pathetic and useless.
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Expert suggests abolishing tolls & halving rego
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Postby uart » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:29 am
Yeah, but how long do we have before AI progresses to the point where the cars themselves don't start hating cyclists.Mulger bill wrote:Yarp, sooner the betterStrawburger wrote:BingoCXCommuter wrote: In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
I'm thinking of something in a Steven Hawking kind of voice like this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pKlupl ... sp=sharing
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Postby Cheesewheel » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:26 pm
Utelize : (v). Any action that disturbs the mind of a person driving a ute. Eg. "Buckenell mayt! Dose bucken sighklets ar buckenaddit agen! Effya utelize da bucken road, pay bucken rego ya bukken barstards!"CXCommuter wrote:Utelize
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:46 pm
We could call it HAL (heavyweight auto locution), and eventually it will reach version 9000.uart wrote:Yeah, but how long do we have before AI progresses to the point where the cars themselves don't start hating cyclists.Mulger bill wrote:Yarp, sooner the betterStrawburger wrote:
Bingo
I'm thinking of something in a Steven Hawking kind of voice like this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pKlupl ... sp=sharing
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Postby Comedian » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:13 pm
IMHO it's time we accepted that driving is probably the most dangerous thing a citizen of Australia will ever do. It's not too hard to kill yourself, and take several other citizens with you. Easy Peasy.CXCommuter wrote:The laws are fine, implementation is a problem.bychosis wrote:I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.Cyclophiliac wrote:Was this in South Bank, Brisbane? There was a news.com.au article about it. Apparently it was a drink-driver who had been banned from driving 3 separate times. Our laws are bloody pathetic and useless.
Attitude amongst almost the entire general population regarding driving is atrocious. This extends to law enforcement too, meaning the issue with law enforcement.
As it stands anyone can get into a vehicle and drive... it does not require a license, just keys, a vehicle and fuel... as evidenced by the 10s of thousands driving unlicensed in NSW. How many times have I read of some twit in court for driving unlicensed.. walk out of court and get back into the car they drove to the court in.
In australia the only solution I see is automated driving... our destructive attitude around driving is too far entrenched for change
So, if you don't play by the rules give them maybe one chance. First DUI driving ban and penalty. If they ever do it again lifetime driving ban and a short spell in jail to get to know the locals. The next offence just lock them up. It's time we accepted that driving isn't for everyone.
I think we should implement this ASAP because if you're hoping autonomous cars are going to come to the rescue it might be a longer wait than you think.
https://jalopnik.com/what-if-autonomous ... 1820778692
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Postby bychosis » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:59 pm
There are those that get to a point where an additional driving ban is no threat, they are often already banned for several years to come anyway. Time to start crushing cars and locking offenders up.Comedian wrote:So, if you don't play by the rules give them maybe one chance. First DUI driving ban and penalty. If they ever do it again lifetime driving ban and a short spell in jail to get to know the locals. The next offence just lock them up. It's time we accepted that driving isn't for everyone.
Yes, while it is possible to program a car to drive autonomously, it cannot react for every occasion unless it is programmed which leads to lawyers fighting about whose fault it is, the 'driver', owner or manufacturer who is responsible when the car decides that hitting one soft cyclist is better than a head on with a truck.Comedian wrote:I think we should implement this ASAP because if you're hoping autonomous cars are going to come to the rescue it might be a longer wait than you think.
https://jalopnik.com/what-if-autonomous ... 1820778692
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Postby Cyclophiliac » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:17 pm
I couldn't agree more. As a software engineer, I wouldn't work on self-driving car software if you paid me a million dollars a year!bychosis wrote:Yes, while it is possible to program a car to drive autonomously, it cannot react for every occasion unless it is programmed which leads to lawyers fighting about whose fault it is, the 'driver', owner or manufacturer who is responsible when the car decides that hitting one soft cyclist is better than a head on with a truck.
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby find_bruce » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:02 pm
Driving deaths come in after skin cancer & falling, but your point is well made - skin cancer & falling generally only kill you, driving can kill innocent victims as well.Comedian wrote:IMHO it's time we accepted that driving is probably the most dangerous thing a citizen of Australia will ever do. It's not too hard to kill yourself, and take several other citizens with you. Easy Peasy.
One of the sad ironies of the September 11 attacks is that something like 2,300 extra Americans died as a result of choosing to drive rather than fly
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Postby madmacca » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:39 pm
And this is where we get to with lawyers and philosophers in our society. We tolerate a system that is CURRENTLY killing 1000 people per year (and hundreds of thousands worldwide), and refuse to introduce a system that will cut this by 90% or more, because out-of-touch thinkersbychosis wrote:There are those that get to a point where an additional driving ban is no threat, they are often already banned for several years to come anyway. Time to start crushing cars and locking offenders up.Comedian wrote:So, if you don't play by the rules give them maybe one chance. First DUI driving ban and penalty. If they ever do it again lifetime driving ban and a short spell in jail to get to know the locals. The next offence just lock them up. It's time we accepted that driving isn't for everyone.
Yes, while it is possible to program a car to drive autonomously, it cannot react for every occasion unless it is programmed which leads to lawyers fighting about whose fault it is, the 'driver', owner or manufacturer who is responsible when the car decides that hitting one soft cyclist is better than a head on with a truck.Comedian wrote:I think we should implement this ASAP because if you're hoping autonomous cars are going to come to the rescue it might be a longer wait than you think.
https://jalopnik.com/what-if-autonomous ... 1820778692
like this play "what-if" with unforeseen and unprogrammed-for scenarios that may occur once every 2 years in reality.
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Postby PA » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:37 pm
Can't blame you, why would you want to take a pay cut?Cyclophiliac wrote: I couldn't agree more. As a software engineer, I wouldn't work on self-driving car software if you paid me a million dollars a year!
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Re: Expert suggests abolishing tolls & halving rego
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:01 pm
Make it 4 at both ends (6-10am and 3-7pm) and you've got me.find_bruce wrote:unexpected from ABC news, but fortunately there's a catch - the same expert wants to replace them with a congestion charge on all vehicles for 2 hours in the morning & then 2 hours at night
You'd get a lot of parents whining about how far their kids have to travel, but that's entirely self-inflicted (albeit engineered by dysfunctional government policy). Send them to a school that's closer or buy them each a bike.
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby Comedian » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:35 pm
Yes.. but you see if you have an autonomous car and it crashes it's the manufacturers problem (or anyone else the driver can point the finger at). Even if it resulted in the death toll halving.. if there were only 10 crashes caused by autonomous cars that's ten now that the manufacturers don't have to fight.madmacca wrote:And this is where we get to with lawyers and philosophers in our society. We tolerate a system that is CURRENTLY killing 1000 people per year (and hundreds of thousands worldwide), and refuse to introduce a system that will cut this by 90% or more, because out-of-touch thinkersbychosis wrote:There are those that get to a point where an additional driving ban is no threat, they are often already banned for several years to come anyway. Time to start crushing cars and locking offenders up.Comedian wrote:So, if you don't play by the rules give them maybe one chance. First DUI driving ban and penalty. If they ever do it again lifetime driving ban and a short spell in jail to get to know the locals. The next offence just lock them up. It's time we accepted that driving isn't for everyone.
Yes, while it is possible to program a car to drive autonomously, it cannot react for every occasion unless it is programmed which leads to lawyers fighting about whose fault it is, the 'driver', owner or manufacturer who is responsible when the car decides that hitting one soft cyclist is better than a head on with a truck.Comedian wrote:I think we should implement this ASAP because if you're hoping autonomous cars are going to come to the rescue it might be a longer wait than you think.
https://jalopnik.com/what-if-autonomous ... 1820778692
like this play "what-if" with unforeseen and unprogrammed-for scenarios that may occur once every 2 years in reality.
It's like the building I work it. All the tenants are government, and the building is owned by an arm of government. They recently closed the stairs because they were worried about people falling in the stairs and hurting themselves. Even though - the government has huge expensive programs encouraging people to be active.. if someone falls in the stairs that's their problem. Someone has a heart attack or diabetes.. somebody else's problem..
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby bychosis » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:03 pm
WHS gone mad. You'd probably need an induction and work method statement to be allowed to use them from now on.Comedian wrote:They recently closed the stairs because they were worried about people falling in the stairs and hurting themselves.
A while ago a consultant was doing audits on our PPE usage and effectiveness. He asked one (well experienced) employee who had trained him in use of his hat. The response was a rather dumbfounded "my mum".
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Re: "Get off the road, you don't pay rego"
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:20 pm
But then they'd get onto a cheap pedelec and mix it with the bike path crowd.madmacca wrote:Perhaps impounding the car of a repeat driving ban offender might be an intermediate step before imprisonment? Yes, they can potentially get around it by borrowing someone else's car, but if they scoff at that law, then prison is definitely justified.Cyclophiliac wrote:We'll just have to disagree on this, then. I think if the laws were effective, this drink driver would have been imprisoned after ignoring the driving ban for the first time. But obviously, the laws and our court system allowed this idiot to repeatedly ignore the ban.bychosis wrote: I think the laws are just fine. It’s the attitude of the idiots that continue to drive while suspended etc that’s the problem. The court system could probably do with a little improvement too.
On the other hand if they DID obey the restrictions they'd do the same. I guess we can't win.
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