BNA Losers Club 2018

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:36 pm

CKinnard wrote:
warthog1 wrote:Championne :D

Thanks mate 8)

Just ordered some 3mg tablets through iherb.com


Let us know how it goes Warty.
My clinical view is results are highly variable. The lit. says people get to sleep better, but are not aided cognitively...and benefit diminishes after a few days.



I have trouble sleepingat night when I'm back on days.
The last 2 nights I've woken up and been unable to get to sleep again. 2 restavits each time did the job eventually.
I'll try melatonin instead. I don't plan on using it on a daily basis.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:58 pm

The article is interesting not because of the prediction value, but the stats on the average weight of people in AU as of 2015 by age group. Which should be higher by now.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/predict-your-weight-in-25-years-20180105-h0e00t.html

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:25 am

12 days since last post.

Waist 77.5 cm - same
WHtR 0.448

65.0 kg up 0.1
BMI 21.7

Goals:
Waist < 75cm
Weight = 64 kg

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Nobody wrote:The article is interesting not because of the prediction value, but the stats on the average weight of people in AU as of 2015 by age group. Which should be higher by now.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/predict-your-weight-in-25-years-20180105-h0e00t.html



Yeah, lots wrong with what they are inferring from the stats.

The median chart means nothing if it isn't corrected for height.
Av height has increased significantly in the last 40 years.
And eating habits have changed over the generations, so they have no predictive value for one generation.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:14 pm

nemo57 wrote:You don't need me to tell you how hideous rotating shift work is. Melatonin doesn't require prescription in the US, and you can import it from there without trouble - at least that's my wife's experience.
Available from iherb.com (she says they're usually the cheapest) or vitaminshoppe.com


Thanks again Nemo :)
I got my order from iherb the other day. Fast turnaround and good service.
I have had 3mg melatonin capsules twice.
They definitely help you get off to sleep.
I feel I should have got the sustained release tablets however.
The circadin you need a prescription for here is a slow release formulation.
The first time I used them out like a light but woke for a p1ss at 0200 and had trouble getting to sleep again.
I may order some more. Cheap enough.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:14 pm

nemo57 wrote:You don't need me to tell you how hideous rotating shift work is. Melatonin doesn't require prescription in the US, and you can import it from there without trouble - at least that's my wife's experience.
Available from iherb.com (she says they're usually the cheapest) or vitaminshoppe.com


Thanks again Nemo :)
I got my order from iherb the other day. Fast turnaround and good service.
I have had 3mg melatonin capsules twice.
They definitely help you get off to sleep.
I feel I should have got the sustained release tablets however.
The circadin you need a prescription for here is a slow release formulation.
The first time I used them out like a light but woke for a p1ss at 0200 and had trouble getting to sleep again.
I may order some more. Cheap enough.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:19 pm

warthog1 wrote:
nemo57 wrote:You don't need me to tell you how hideous rotating shift work is. Melatonin doesn't require prescription in the US, and you can import it from there without trouble - at least that's my wife's experience.
Available from iherb.com (she says they're usually the cheapest) or vitaminshoppe.com


Thanks again Nemo :)
I got my order from iherb the other day. Fast turnaround and good service.
I have had 3mg melatonin capsules twice.
They definitely help you get off to sleep.
I feel I should have got the sustained release tablets however.
The circadin you need a prescription for here is a slow release formulation.
The first time I used them out like a light but woke for a p1ss at 0200 and had trouble getting to sleep again.
I may order some more. Cheap enough.


warty, which shifts have you trialled them coming off?

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:14 pm

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:28 pm

Not meaning to be rude, but can you guys move the shiftwork commentary to the shiftwork thread? I'd like to comment, but I'd just be bloating this thread with more OT stuff. Thanks in advance. :)

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby tcdev » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:33 am

January check-in!

Started this journey mid-2014 at 114.5kg.

As of 2018:
12/2017: Weight = 95kg

Feb 1st:
Weight = 94.1kg (-0.9kg)
WtHR = 98/178 = 0.55 (consider action)
BMI = 94.1/(1.78^2) = 29.70 (overweight)

Didn't expect a lot from this month, starting the weight loss effort mid-month due to being away on holidays, and then throw in my birthday a week after that so I am happy with the results. Just before my birthday I weighed in at 93.1 and was in the 93's for a few days.

Although I was a little lighter at one point last year, IIRC my waist this month is the smallest I've measured thus far. In fact when weighing in the 93's a week or so ago, I could actually see (and feel) the difference in the mirror.

As I mentioned in my previous post, my focus this year - as opposed to previous years - is more on diet than exercise, though the goal is to increase that as well. Last year I (almost) doubled the km on the bike from the previous year but saw only a 3kg weight loss. Aiming for 2.5W/kg FTP...
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:46 am

tcdev wrote:Although I was a little lighter at one point last year, IIRC my waist this month is the smallest I've measured thus far. In fact when weighing in the 93's a week or so ago, I could actually see (and feel) the difference in the mirror.

That's what it should be about. Losing weight where it matters to your health, around your internal organs.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:29 am

11 days since last post.

Waist 77.0 cm - down 0.5
WHtR 0.445

64.6 kg down 0.4
BMI 21.6

Goals:
Waist < 75cm
Weight = 64 kg

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby RobertL » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:31 am

So, from starting in July 2015 at 120kg, I have achieved this:

Date Height Weight Waist BMI WtHR
06/01/2017 189.5 108.2 112 30.13 0.59
25/01/2017 189.5 107.8 111 30.02 0.59
16/02/2017 189.5 106.8 110 29.74 0.58
03/04/2017 189.5 105.9 107 29.49 0.56
01/06/2017 189.5 105.3 106 29.32 0.56
13/07/2017 189.5 104.6 105 29.13 0.55
07/08/2017 189.5 103.7 105 28.88 0.55
04/09/2017 189.5 102.1 104 28.43 0.55
22/11/2017 189.5 101.6 103 28.29 0.54
04/01/2018 189.5 100.7 102 28.04 0.54
14/02/2018 189.5 99.1 101 27.60 0.53

I listed one of my goals this year to get below 100kg, and I'm calling that done! I had been weighing myself at under 100kg for over a week, but I did not want to commit it to record until I was sure.

Goal reached!

Next goal, WtHR < 0.5. That will take another 4 or 5kg.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby Nobody » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:28 am

RobertL wrote:I listed one of my goals this year to get below 100kg, and I'm calling that done! I had been weighing myself at under 100kg for over a week, but I did not want to commit it to record until I was sure...Goal reached!

Congratulations. It's a nice feeling to finally achieve it. Even if there isn't an audience to cheer you on.

RobertL wrote:Next goal, WtHR < 0.5. That will take another 4 or 5kg.

Just keep in mind that this goal is probably going to be a bit harder to reach. You might have to change more to get there.

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19 days since last post.

Waist 76.5 cm - down 0.5
WHtR 0.442

64.9 kg - up 0.3
BMI 21.7

Goals:
Waist < 75cm
Weight = 64 kg

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby kb » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:26 pm

RobertL wrote:So, from starting in July 2015 at 120kg, I have achieved this:

Date Height Weight Waist BMI WtHR
...
14/02/2018 189.5 99.1 101 27.60 0.53

I listed one of my goals this year to get below 100kg, and I'm calling that done! I had been weighing myself at under 100kg for over a week, but I did not want to commit it to record until I was sure.

Goal reached!

Next goal, WtHR < 0.5. That will take another 4 or 5kg.

Good work. I’m curious, have you been checking your height or just assuming it’s unchanged? I gained close to 2cm when I lost 30kg :-)
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby RobertL » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:25 pm

kb wrote:
RobertL wrote:So, from starting in July 2015 at 120kg, I have achieved this:

Date Height Weight Waist BMI WtHR
...
14/02/2018 189.5 99.1 101 27.60 0.53

I listed one of my goals this year to get below 100kg, and I'm calling that done! I had been weighing myself at under 100kg for over a week, but I did not want to commit it to record until I was sure.

Goal reached!

Next goal, WtHR < 0.5. That will take another 4 or 5kg.

Good work. I’m curious, have you been checking your height or just assuming it’s unchanged? I gained close to 2cm when I lost 30kg :-)


That would be nice!

Actually, if you were to go back and check my first posts* I was quoting my height as 190cm. I still use that figure "socially". However, I measured myself very accurately a few months ago at 189.5cm.

I should go back and see if I've grown!!


* don't - there's no need.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 pm

Regarding height variation, some reasons:
1. when you gain weight
- you tend to increase the S bend in your spine as your belly moves center of gravity forward and you compensate by taking thoracic spine backwards.
- extra bodyfat also applies more compressive weight to spinal discs thereby driving water out of them more so, or not allowing as much water to enter in the first place.

2. time of day and activities
- during the night, water is able to re-enter spinal discs more so while you are horizontal. muscles that support the spine also get a rest. when you awake, you can be 2-4cm taller than in the afternoon after an exhausting day on your feet

3. dehydration is enough to take a 1-2 cm off you - the body pulls water out of tissue including discs to maintain blood volume.

4. as you age, discs degenerate and are unable to imbibe water as much and lose structural strength.
posture deteriorates as muscles waste, and vertebrae can shrink in height.

So don't take your height for granted!

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby tcdev » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:03 am

February check-in!

Started this journey mid-2014 at 114.5kg.

As of 2018:
12/2017: Weight=95kg
01/2017: Weight=94.1kg, WtHR=0.55, BMI=29.7

Mar 1st:
Weight = 93.2kg (-0.9kg)
WtHR = 98/178 = 0.55 (consider action)
BMI = 93.2/(1.78^2) = 29.41 (overweight)

This month I actually got into the 91's for a brief while mid-month, then sabotaged it all by having a week of careless eating. Managed to salvage the month somewhat, but obviously need to work on discipline. It's not as if I'm starving myself after all. :(

What I am struggling with is performance on the bike. Still not hitting the power numbers I was doing before Xmas. I am consuming less calories, I am doing more exercise (maybe 25-30% more on average) and I have resumed weight training, though still on quite light weights at this point. Hopefully in the next month or two I'll see a turn-around and can at least hit what I was doing before, albeit at a slightly lighter weight.

Hoping to be well and truly in the 92's next month, 91's would be even better, and another cm off my waist!
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby hamishm » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:04 pm

CKinnard wrote:So don't take your height for granted!

A little over 10 years ago I lost about 60kg over the course of 18 months, and my feet shrank by 1-1.5 Aussie shoe sizes.

I have not really found much reference to this on Dr Google.. any thoughts on how and why?

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby RobertL » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:05 pm

hamishm wrote:
CKinnard wrote:So don't take your height for granted!

A little over 10 years ago I lost about 60kg over the course of 18 months, and my feet shrank by 1-1.5 Aussie shoe sizes.

I have not really found much reference to this on Dr Google.. any thoughts on how and why?


Two thoughts:

1. Feet do have fat on them. Lose enough fat and they will downsize.

2. The arch underneath the foot is supported by elastic connective tissue - ligaments. If you take weight off of that structure, they may pull the arch tighter, meaning it will eb shorter from front to back and (maybe) side to side. It may even raise the arch.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:14 pm

RobertL wrote:
hamishm wrote:
CKinnard wrote:So don't take your height for granted!

A little over 10 years ago I lost about 60kg over the course of 18 months, and my feet shrank by 1-1.5 Aussie shoe sizes.

I have not really found much reference to this on Dr Google.. any thoughts on how and why?


Two thoughts:

1. Feet do have fat on them. Lose enough fat and they will downsize.

2. The arch underneath the foot is supported by elastic connective tissue - ligaments. If you take weight off of that structure, they may pull the arch tighter, meaning it will eb shorter from front to back and (maybe) side to side. It may even raise the arch.


I'd agree with the above two points. You might have also lost some lean tissue off your feet.

However, I'd also be suspicious of how you determined your shoe size decreased.
Shoe manufacturing can be very rubbery, with the same size varying considerably, even within the same run off the same machines.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby hamishm » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:00 am

RobertL wrote:2. The arch underneath the foot is supported by elastic connective tissue - ligaments. If you take weight off of that structure, they may pull the arch tighter, meaning it will eb shorter from front to back and (maybe) side to side. It may even raise the arch.

Possibly related, I do have tight tendons in my feet.

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The tops of those toes rub in some shoes which can be painful at times. I've mentioned this to a couple of podiatrists and none have seemed particularly interested, although I'm a bit concerned it's going to lead to problems long term.

CKinnard wrote:However, I'd also be suspicious of how you determined your shoe size decreased.
Shoe manufacturing can be very rubbery, with the same size varying considerably, even within the same run off the same machines.

Fair points. I don't have the shoes any more (as I said this dates from 2005-6). But my recollection was that I wore size 13 shoes back then while I am definitely in ~11.5 now, and I did have to throw out shoes that were no longer a good fit.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:22 pm

hamishm wrote:The tops of those toes rub in some shoes which can be painful at times. I've mentioned this to a couple of podiatrists and none have seemed particularly interested, although I'm a bit concerned it's going to lead to problems long term.

CKinnard wrote:However, I'd also be suspicious of how you determined your shoe size decreased.
Shoe manufacturing can be very rubbery, with the same size varying considerably, even within the same run off the same machines.

Fair points. I don't have the shoes any more (as I said this dates from 2005-6). But my recollection was that I wore size 13 shoes back then while I am definitely in ~11.5 now, and I did have to throw out shoes that were no longer a good fit.


Wow, I just re-read and realized you said you lost 60kg over 18mths.
Man, that's definitely possible to shrink a couple of sizes based on foot fat loss alone.

As for the tips of your toes rubbing inside shoes, you need to buy bigger shoes in that case.
Your shoes should always have additional space in front of the toe tips. A good measure is you should be able to walk down hill especially steep hills without your toes touching the front of your shoes. You are always better off buying a slightly looser shoe that you can add a thicker insole or orthotic, than getting one too tight.

Congrats on the weight loss. Massive achievement, and you have my respect. I know how hard that can be.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby hamishm » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:22 pm

CKinnard wrote:As for the tips of your toes rubbing inside shoes, you need to buy bigger shoes in that case.

It's actually the top of my (hammer?) toes rather than the ends.

CKinnard wrote:Congrats on the weight loss. Massive achievement, and you have my respect. I know how hard that can be.

Thanks. They say keeping it off is the hard part, but I'm doing ok after 10 years. It really has to be a lifestyle change. Fortunately cycling helps me get away with eating a little bit more than I really should.

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2018

Postby CKinnard » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:32 pm

hamishm wrote:
CKinnard wrote:As for the tips of your toes rubbing inside shoes, you need to buy bigger shoes in that case.

It's actually the top of my (hammer?) toes rather than the ends.

CKinnard wrote:Congrats on the weight loss. Massive achievement, and you have my respect. I know how hard that can be.

Thanks. They say keeping it off is the hard part, but I'm doing ok after 10 years. It really has to be a lifestyle change. Fortunately cycling helps me get away with eating a little bit more than I really should.


Have you seen a podiatrist about something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Straightener-Cro ... B06Y6N6R16
I've known hammer toes to resolve with 3-6 months of wearing a splinting device to hold the toes straight, though depends how much bony deformity you have...in which case you can have them surgically straightened. Results are generally excellent and low risk of complications.

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