GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby queequeg » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:17 am

I can confirm that Bike24 are also now including 10% VAT for Shipments to Australia
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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby Jmuzz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:25 am

Crawf wrote:Is there going to be a customs processing fee? Flat fee, percentage based on value?


The point of the new system is that the foreign business just pays the GST to ATO more or less by honesty.

It will work for eBay and Amazon (though Amazon just dealt with it by banning the international site) since they have an Australian presence so can be pressured.

AliExpress said they will comply, though since their parcels don't even get shipped by AliExpress directly and they use in-house AliPay payment gateway which can lie about transaction details I don't see how that could even be monitored, they will probably just pocket most of the extra 10% and be tricky.

Time will tell if foreign retailers are complying or just pocketing the GST or ignoring the rule completely.

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby bychosis » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:37 am

Jmuzz wrote:pocketing the GST


That is worst case for the consumer. Pay extra but no tax paid back to support our welfare systems etc.
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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby Jmuzz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:23 pm

bychosis wrote:
Jmuzz wrote:That is worst case for the consumer. Pay extra but no tax paid back to support our welfare systems etc.


Depends if it's even in the price to begin with.
The way these big retailers manage their discounts is very complex, they often sell at a loss as part of their highly competitive war with other retailers.
So it may be the case that they have the cheapest price because that 10% GST is not even a real part of the price.

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Postby AUbicycles » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:43 am

I don’t see many truely selling at a loss, but one way to sell low is to buy left-over stock for cheap of buy bulk and haggle for a low price. There was also a strategy of purchasing for extremely low prices from distributers and then shifting stock or OEM strategies which explains why some parts are delivered without original (display type) packaging.

Really only when they are ready to clear old stock may the retail price dip and very rarely are there genuine sales at a loss. (Except of course with discounts which are now often targeted to new customers.... though not to forget, a discount Is typically on the RRP and not their actual regular sales price.

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Postby Usernoname » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:29 pm

I'm not sure if it has been posted before. I've just ordered a couple of bike parts from Ebay China based sites. GST is added to the sale price when paying. Anyone know if Ebay/Paypal is collecting the GST directly and forwarding to Aus Gov?

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Postby Cheesewheel » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:33 pm

Usernoname wrote:I'm not sure if it has been posted before. I've just ordered a couple of bike parts from Ebay China based sites. GST is added to the sale price when paying. Anyone know if Ebay/Paypal is collecting the GST directly and forwarding to Aus Gov?

Unless I am mistaken, I think fleabay collects the GST ... whether they do it directly from the transaction or throw it in on top of their sellers fee to be payable in 30 days or so, I don't know.
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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby Ross » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:46 am

I just ordered a quantity of Shimano polymer gear cables from Ribble, no GST charged. Even with $11 freight Ribble were MUCH cheaper than Bikebug - $86 vs $136

Also bought some brake pads for my MTB from o/s eBay seller and was charged GST but still way cheaper than anyone else inc the usual suspects such as Bikebug, Pushys and even Wiggle /CRC

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:52 am

Ross wrote:I just ordered a quantity of Shimano polymer gear cables from Ribble, no GST charged. Even with $11 freight Ribble were MUCH cheaper than Bikebug - $86 vs $136

Also bought some brake pads for my MTB from o/s eBay seller and was charged GST but still way cheaper than anyone else inc the usual suspects such as Bikebug, Pushys and even Wiggle /CRC


It will be interesting to see if it get stopped by customs or just comes thru
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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby Top_Bhoy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:28 pm

Glad I looked here. I'm looking at an ABUS U-lock which a local and several other Aussie) retailer has for $235. Wiggle has it at $122. Its not even a close comparison so I'll be interested to know what happens to the items people have ordered in the last week or two.

I'm not so fussed about an extra 10% but if couriers get away with adding in admin fees etc (even where there is no legal requirement)...additional costs can start to mount up.

Please keep us all informed.Cheers

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby LateStarter » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:10 pm

For Wiggle orders since 01 July the price shown is the including GST price and you will see it split on the checkout screen, so no extra "admin" or other charges.

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby nickobec » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:00 pm

Top_Bhoy wrote:I'll be interested to know what happens to the items people have ordered in the last week or two.


Ordered a jersey and base layer off AliExpress prior to June 30 (just), posted after July 1 from China , arrived last week without any delays, additional charges or anything.

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby trailgumby » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:45 pm

ORered some nutrition product from Wiggle post- 1 July cutoff. Came thru GST paid with no hassle.

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Re: GST free threshold removal effect on shoppers and overseas bike shops

Postby DavidS » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:14 pm

My main worry is that some smaller shops won't ship here. I want to continue to get my whisky jerseys from thecyclejersey.com

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