Putting the "oh no" into obikes

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Re: And the English ...

Postby human909 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:31 am

Calvin27 wrote:
human909 wrote:"Cashing in on data" and running a bike share scheme are not mutually exclusive. Your claim "Obike cannot cash in on the data and successfully keep the bicycle scheme going at the same time" implies they are.


Well if you barely have the resources to produce a management plan, then that is mutually exclusive.

"Mutually exclusive" I don't think you understand what this word means. Either way. No use arguing with somebody who isn't making a coherent point.

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Re: And the English ...

Postby Calvin27 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:37 am

human909 wrote:
Calvin27 wrote:
human909 wrote:"Cashing in on data" and running a bike share scheme are not mutually exclusive. Your claim "Obike cannot cash in on the data and successfully keep the bicycle scheme going at the same time" implies they are.


Well if you barely have the resources to produce a management plan, then that is mutually exclusive.

"Mutually exclusive" I don't think you understand what this word means. Either way. No use arguing with somebody who isn't making a coherent point.


'two events are mutually exclusive or disjoint if they cannot both occur'

I just said they do not have resources to both run a bike share scheme that is compliant and sell data. I think you might have some reading issues buddy.
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Re: And the English ...

Postby Jmuzz » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Thoglette wrote:But savvy investors shouldn't worry: Mickey Fong, EJI Insight reports on A new business model for bike-sharing service which gets rid of the need to actually own those pesky bicycles


This shows why the real issue of bike parking needs to be addressed, it won't go away.

In the end any bicycle with an electronic networking lock can be a bikeshare and the app operator is simply a payment and management gateway connecting peers.
The lock doesn't need to be part of the bike, just an electronic cable or D lock, so how do laws even apply to bikeshare bikes when they are any bike? It's the lock which makes it a bikeshare but just having an electronic lock doesn't mean its a bikeshare because electronic locks are going to become more popular in future.

Bikes are going to clutter footpaths until there are more bike parking spaces/poles and some sort of regulation that if an available formal parking area is within 20m you must park there instead of random footpath.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby fat and old » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:22 pm

Is there actually any data on cycle parking vs motor vehicle parking (on street) in any of the CBD's? I started to look at Melbourne but got sick of actually physically counting them. I have my suspicions about this.

By cycle parking I refer to a council supplied/installed fixture like a bike hoop (stand alone or pole mounted).

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The high cost of "free" parking

Postby Thoglette » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:36 pm

Jmuzz wrote:This shows why the real issue of bike parking needs to be addressed, it won't go away.


And, to requote Eben Weiss aka BSNYC
BSNYC wrote:The problem isn’t dockless bikes. It's dockless cars.


BSNYC wrote:Ultimately, our fear of dockless bikes reveals three things:
1. We set aside an insane amount of space for cars;
2. We’ve become so inured to this state of affairs that anything occupying the tiny sliver of public space that remains seems out of place if it’s not either a car or part of a car;
3. The solution isn’t cracking down on shareable last-mile forms of conveyance, it’s making more room for them.


It's now been two decades since Donald Shoup published "The High Cost of Free Parking" (Journal of Planning Education and Research 17:3-20) and it seems nothing much has changed.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby human909 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:11 pm

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Thoglette » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:54 am

More chatter
Can the share bike business survive in Australia?

Mostly puff and vox-pop, including Craig Richards at BN, but includes one mild attempt at research
Susan Lannin, ABC News wrote:It's clear from overseas cities that bike share schemes need to be part of the transport network to be effective.

Deloitte partner Kellie Nuttall said the numbers from US show that docked schemes are far more popular than dockless schemes.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Ross » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 am

Dockless firm Ofo battling to survive against resurgent Mobike
Ofo scales back operations, sheds staff, "shrinks global footprint".

https://www.bikebiz.com/business/ofo-scaling-back

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Ross » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:59 pm

The Australian-owned company Airbike will release a fleet of 200 dockless bikes in Canberra at the end of the month.

https://the-riotact.com/hopes-ride-on-b ... ial/256389

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Jmuzz » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:43 pm

Ross wrote:The Australian-owned company Airbike will release a fleet of 200 dockless bikes in Canberra at the end of the month.


Looks like wheel lock plus weak spoked wheels.

Wish they wouldn't, just going to damage the image more. Though inner Canberra should be less destructive than other states.

These things need cable locks so randoms can't just carry them away. And need to be more durable, these wheels will all be buckled quickly.

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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes

Postby Thoglette » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:39 am

Ross wrote:The Australian-owned company Airbike will release a fleet of 200 dockless bikes in Canberra at the end of the month.

Also on the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-16/d ... ne/9998052
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