Chosing the right saddle

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Chosing the right saddle

Postby Mersch » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:33 pm

Hi all,

So I have recently installed some mini clip-on tt bars on my road bike to be used for sprint & olympic distance triathlons, however when I am in the aero position my current stock saddle gets too uncomfortable. Just wondering which saddle you would reccomend for a road bike for shorter distance triathlons? Appreciate your help.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby 10speedsemiracer » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:18 pm

Unfortunately this is very much person-specific. I have a Selle Italia X1 which follows me from bike to bike, but what works for my undercarriage may not work for yours...
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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby Thoglette » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:19 pm

10speedsemiracer wrote:Unfortunately this is very much person-specific.

Yup. And the comfortable set up for the tribar position probably won't be as comfortable in the drops nor when sitting upright. Sorry.
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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby MattyK » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:43 am

Noseless. You need to be able to rotate your pelvis forwards without crushing your junk.

ISM, Cobb, dash, Fizik Mistica, SMP T series...

Also flip your seatpost to offset forwards, or find one that can if yours can't. This will open up your hip angle and be much more comfortable.

FWIW I have an ISM Attack, though mainly because it was really cheap on ebay.
<edit: from this guy> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ISM-Adamo-A ... 2758466206

https://www.slowtwitch.com/bike/Product ... j6333.html

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby g-boaf » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:24 am

Another option is Specialized Sitero:

https://www.specialized.com/jp/en/sitero-pro/p/133006

I'm using this on my TT bike at the moment, but it's up to you to try them all and find which one works and which one doesn't. I'm using the TT bike a lot at the moment for intervals. I'm just wearing normal cycling kit though, not the stuff aimed at triathlon with less padding.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby Mersch » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:57 pm

I was hoping for a more "road shaped specific saddle" as it is on a road bike and would only be used for shorter races. Has anyone tried the Fizik Arione?

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby MattyK » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:21 am

There are some old style soft nose skinny tri saddles around, but they have largely fallen out of favour these days, because they still put pressure on your soft tissue.

I think you have two (good) options:

a) change your perception of what a "road shaped specific saddle" is. You *can* use a noseless saddle on a road bike perfectly well, you just need to slam it back a long way and get over the stigma you feel. (Have a look at any number of women's race bikes, ISMs get plenty of use.)

or

b) buy a new seatpost as well as a noseless saddle, then you can swap it in about 30 seconds on race days. As I said above, you probably want the saddle in a different position for aero bar use anyway, so this makes the most sense to me (see my thread just below this one).

Anything else (ie road style saddle) is still going to be shoving a long skinny bar into your perineum.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby Derny Driver » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:23 pm

MattyK wrote:
I think you have two (good) options:

a) change your perception of what a "road shaped specific saddle" is. You *can* use a noseless saddle on a road bike perfectly well, you just need to slam it back a long way and get over the stigma you feel. (Have a look at any number of women's race bikes, ISMs get plenty of use.)

or

b) buy a new seatpost as well as a noseless saddle, then you can swap it in about 30 seconds on race days. As I said above, you probably want the saddle in a different position for aero bar use anyway, so this makes the most sense to me (see my thread just below this one).

Anything else (ie road style saddle) is still going to be shoving a long skinny bar into your perineum.

Matty is 100% correct.
I hang around my local bike shop, my local racing club, all my mates ride ...I see hundreds of bikes weekly and every saddle is different. No-one gives a rats what sort it is or what it looks like. Every bum is different and whatever is comfortable is the right one. If you are 18 years old with a skinny arse then maybe you can ride a Fizic Arione. A noseless saddle is the way forward. Many people are using them on their track bikes and time trial bikes now because of the UCI measurement from the tip of the saddle to the bars. If you want to have your seat forward - which you should if you are using clip on bars - then a normal saddle will be illegal. I know triathlons don't have the UCI rule but my point is that noseless saddles are quite common for a lot of reasons. You should try one.

If you end up using a normal road saddle, then make sure you slide the thing forward if you are using the clip ons, and back if you are using the road handlebars. That will alleviate some of your issues. Or use mattys idea of having a road saddle and post, and swapping it out for a different saddle and post which is set about 5cm forward of the road position. The forward position also requires you to have the seat about 1cm higher than your normal road riding position as well.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby Mersch » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:14 pm

Great thanks alot for everyones feedback! I will definately buy a separate saddle and post for races/ being in the aero position and leave my current saddle and post for just normal training rides. What should I look for in a seat post? For example should I go with an Inline or Layback post? and what are the differences between the two?

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby MattyK » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:16 pm

You’re welcome. Seatposts are offset or straight just to help put the saddle in a certain position for comfort, fit, etc. usually offset rearwards on a road bike but more forwards in TT/tri position.

get either a straight one, or one with an offset that you can mount reversed so it’s offset forwards. Not all posts can do this due to limitations of the clamp angle. Mine came from China via eBay. A 3T Ionic post would work well

In a nutshell, your tri position should be very similar to your road position in terms of body angles, but with everything rotated forwards, pivoting around the bottom bracket. Hence, saddle forwards and a little up, and bars forwards and down.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby Derny Driver » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:03 pm

MattyK wrote:You’re welcome. Seatposts are offset or straight just to help put the saddle in a certain position for comfort, fit, etc. usually offset rearwards on a road bike but more forwards in TT/tri position.

get either a straight one, or one with an offset that you can mount reversed so it’s offset forwards.

Not sure you'd need to mount the post backwards. A straight post with the seat slid forward on the rails should be plenty.

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Re: Chosing the right saddle

Postby MattyK » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:27 am

Depends on the saddle's rails and the bar position. See my Ugly bike thread, I'm using a 25mm offset post, saddle nose is still about 5cm behind the BB and my body position is pretty good. That's with an ISM that has very long rails and no nose, which would effectively be even more forwards. I wouldn't want it further back.

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