2018 Tdf SBS commentary

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:32 pm

But there was some decent downhills as well, so both right.

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Postby gorilla monsoon » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:54 pm

I might be in the minority but I am a Phil and Paul fan. I liken Phil particularly to Murray Walker and really, who needs accuracy when you have entertainment?
Keenan, on the other hand, is sonorous and I really don't need a soporific while watching cycling late at night.
McEwan? He is good value for his knowledge (much like the former drivers on motor racing commentary teams) and he obviously has a sense of humour, something that does not seem to belong to Mr Keenan (but I could be wrong).
I do agree though that they should either learn the names of the towns, villages, churches, cathedrals, castles and chateaux or stop trying to pronounce them.
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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby MattyK » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:37 pm

RobertL wrote:But according to Keenan it's because they are going so fast.

If I were TTing it would probably require a 50T, which would put me in the middle of the cassette. Because I am slow.
So yeah, they use a 58T because they are going so fast.

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Postby find_bruce » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:35 pm

MattyK wrote:
RobertL wrote:But according to Keenan it's because they are going so fast.

If I were TTing it would probably require a 50T, which would put me in the middle of the cassette. Because I am slow.
So yeah, they use a 58T because they are going so fast.
35.5 km in 0:38:46, a mere 54.94 km/h. Dunno about RobertL, but that meets my definition of fast

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:15 am

Come back new guy and speak up again in support of p +p so we can throw more darts at them.
:lol:
P+P bingo is the winner so far I reckon :)

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Postby fat and old » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:12 am

find_bruce wrote:
MattyK wrote:
RobertL wrote:But according to Keenan it's because they are going so fast.

If I were TTing it would probably require a 50T, which would put me in the middle of the cassette. Because I am slow.
So yeah, they use a 58T because they are going so fast.
35.5 km in 0:38:46, a mere 54.94 km/h. Dunno about RobertL, but that meets my definition of fast


In the spirit of BNA pedantry..... :lol:

They go fast because they use a big ring and can push it. There's a difference. Where's Human when you need him???

And Keenan still sounds like a parody of Sonny Hammond......eeeeeeee skkkiiiiippppp :lol:

https://youtu.be/IdSr96qGsxM

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby Mike Ayling » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:29 am

gorilla monsoon wrote:I might be in the minority but I am a Phil and Paul fan. I liken Phil particularly to Murray Walker and really, who needs accuracy when you have entertainment?
Keenan, on the other hand, is sonorous and I really don't need a soporific while watching cycling late at night.
McEwan? He is good value for his knowledge (much like the former drivers on motor racing commentary teams) and he obviously has a sense of humour, something that does not seem to belong to Mr Keenan (but I could be wrong).
I do agree though that they should either learn the names of the towns, villages, churches, cathedrals, castles and chateaux or stop trying to pronounce them.


Agree. I am a fan too.

And they should drop Gabriel Gate's cooking segment from the 5.30 highlights package and show more cycling.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby madmacca » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:00 am

MattyK wrote:At least P&P didn't murder the names of all the towns and castles and chateaux.


While I do prefer Keenan and McEwan for their cycling commentary, P&P made commenting about chateaux and passing sights sound so smooth that you thought their true passion was historical architecture rather than cycling. With Keenan and McEwan, it is painfully obvious that they are reading from a info sheet provided by the race organisers.

While those of us on this forum are obviously interested in the cycle racing aspect, it should be remembered that many viewers of the coverage watch it more for the views of the French countryside than the racing.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby gsxrboy » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:38 pm

march83 wrote:I highly recommend just hitting up reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/

Every morning when you wake up there's a results thread, curated with highlights and heavily spoiler protected. Then there's a bunch of doofuses discussing the stage's events which may or may not be of value to you ;)


As a complete doofus myself I thank ye and please accept 1000000000 Nigerian Prince dollars as payment for your excellent work, cheers muchly! The results thread is great.

*subscribes to the sub*

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby ValleyForge » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:40 pm

madmacca wrote:While those of us on this forum are obviously interested in the cycle racing aspect, it should be remembered that many viewers of the coverage watch it more for the views of the French countryside than the racing.

This is not my mum - probably the most enthusiastic follower of the tour I know! She can't stand the commentary and watches with the sound off and her tour guide open beside her.
She usually goes through a slab of "V" during the tour. Gotta love retirement.
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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby open roader » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:18 pm

I adored Phil and Paul as a combo, indeed very much like Murray Walker / Martin Brundle combination one completely OTT at times and fully of obvious clangers (very human really) and the other the straight man as a perfect contrast. Keith Huewen and Julian Ryder had a similar appeal commentating World Superbike Championship in the 1990's - excitable and occasionally so obviously wrong but so passionate and caring for the sport and connecting with me as an excited TV viewer, even getting me worked up from half way around the world.

I think I can get used to Robbie McEwan, he has uber inside knowledge and is slowly warming to the task of explaining the pictures that I'm watching, his delivery is slowly becoming personable and natural. Matt Keenan on the other hand has always seemed far too clever and correct about anything and everything. Keenan is always piling on the info and stats to an excruciating level to show off his personal velo brilliance when all I want to do is sit back, watch some Euro travel porn starring a peleton, a breakaway pack or two and the occasional hill climb or sprint finish.
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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby hamishm » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:54 pm

I miss the suitcase of courage though.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby open roader » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:09 pm

hamishm wrote:I miss the suitcase of courage though.


Amen to that!
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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby AndrewCowley » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:04 pm

It's a bike race not a National Geographic documentary. Phil and Paul were utterly crap and I don't miss them one bit.

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Postby NASHIE » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:24 pm

open roader wrote:I adored Phil and Paul as a combo, indeed very much like Murray Walker / Martin Brundle combination one completely OTT at times and fully of obvious clangers (very human really) and the other the straight man as a perfect contrast. Keith Huewen and Julian Ryder had a similar appeal commentating World Superbike Championship in the 1990's - excitable and occasionally so obviously wrong but so passionate and caring for the sport and connecting with me as an excited TV viewer, even getting me worked up from half way around the world.

I think I can get used to Robbie McEwan, he has uber inside knowledge and is slowly warming to the task of explaining the pictures that I'm watching, his delivery is slowly becoming personable and natural. Matt Keenan on the other hand has always seemed far too clever and correct about anything and everything. Keenan is always piling on the info and stats to an excruciating level to show off his personal velo brilliance when all I want to do is sit back, watch some Euro travel porn starring a peleton, a breakaway pack or two and the occasional hill climb or sprint finish.


Yes agree on all counts, Keith and Julian were great commentators, and i do like P & P and really think they could off done a better job weaning us into Robbie and Matt. I wish R & M would hold the mic a few mm further away from their month as the Pfting does annoy me.

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Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:36 am

open roader wrote:I adored Phil and Paul as a combo, indeed very much like Murray Walker / Martin Brundle combination one completely OTT at times and fully of obvious clangers (very human really) and the other the straight man as a perfect contrast. Keith Huewen and Julian Ryder had a similar appeal commentating World Superbike Championship in the 1990's - excitable and occasionally so obviously wrong but so passionate and caring for the sport and connecting with me as an excited TV viewer, even getting me worked up from half way around the world.

I think I can get used to Robbie McEwan, he has uber inside knowledge and is slowly warming to the task of explaining the pictures that I'm watching, his delivery is slowly becoming personable and natural. Matt Keenan on the other hand has always seemed far too clever and correct about anything and everything. Keenan is always piling on the info and stats to an excruciating level to show off his personal velo brilliance when all I want to do is sit back, watch some Euro travel porn starring a peleton, a breakaway pack or two and the occasional hill climb or sprint finish.


I'd use the Big Daryl Eastlake analogy for P + P since we are using motor racing commentators for comparison.
"Hippy, hippy shake" at 1000 decibels, plenty of "oohing" and "aahing" at similar eardrum bursting levels but nothing of any intelligence or insight.
The exasperation from poor Barry Sheene was the only saving grace and echoed the feelings of Australian motorcycling enthusiasts all over the country.
The bloke was "enthusiastic, excitable and human" but oh so clueless and dumb with respect to the sport of motorcycle racing, that he detracted from the enjoyment of viewing it.
Made it painful to watch actually.

I am so thankful P + P are gone and have taken their tired old clangers and cliches with them :)
Good riddance.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby gorilla monsoon » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:55 am

AndrewCowley wrote:It's a bike race not a National Geographic documentary. Phil and Paul were utterly crap and I don't miss them one bit.



I tend to agree but not entirely. A straw poll of friends, family and acquaintances suggests that while they are not bike racing fans as such they watch the first hour or so of the TdF because they enjoy the scenery so it crosses over from being a traditional sporting event into being a semi-travelogue.

Who knows, maybe the French are onto something? Perhaps if other sports took it up they may get more interest.
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Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:38 pm

My understanding is that the race and coverage of it is a boon for French tourism.
The coverage always includes chateaus and other features of historical interest along with geographical locations and I believe commentary teams are provided with a spiel to accompany the coverage?
Seems pretty successful.
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Postby fat and old » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:01 pm

warthog1 wrote:My understanding is that the race and coverage of it is a boon for French tourism.
The coverage always includes chateaus and other features of historical interest along with geographical locations and I believe commentary teams are provided with a spiel to accompany the coverage?
Seems pretty successful.
http://revenueassociates.biz/tour-de-fr ... marketing/


Then it would really help if our announcers could pronounce the bloody language. Imagine listening to Keenan, then going over to France and asking for some frottage... :lol:

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Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:58 pm

fat and old wrote:
Then it would really help if our announcers could pronounce the bloody language. Imagine listening to Keenan, then going over to France and asking for some frottage... :lol:


:lol:

Strayan is his native tongue though.

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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:12 pm

Given the commentary combinations available on English language feeds, the current team is the best combo IMO.

That said, I challenge anyone to do commentary non-stop for a 6 hour event.

As for pronunciation, has anyone heard a French commentator pronounce Australian or English towns using the local accent?

Should everyone say "Liverpool" with a Scouse accent?

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Postby fat and old » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:53 pm

warthog1 wrote:
fat and old wrote:
Then it would really help if our announcers could pronounce the bloody language. Imagine listening to Keenan, then going over to France and asking for some frottage... :lol:


:lol:

Strayan is his native tongue though.


Nope. Ponce is his native language

My cousin has lived in France last 30 odd years. Caught up with him over Christmas and he sounds like Gabriel Gate now :lol:

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:37 pm

fat and old wrote:
Nope. Ponce is his native language

My cousin has lived in France last 30 odd years. Caught up with him over Christmas and he sounds like Gabriel Gate now :lol:


Harsh. lol
Agreed on Gabby though.
I turn it off when he is on.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby fat and old » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:20 am

You kidding? It’s like watching Fast Foward...I laugh my guys out :lol: Which is what I’m meant to do. Gabriel (and Miguel too) know the score, and play up to it, just like Kamahl did. In 10 years there’ll be an ACA story on how terrible it was for them and how they’re scarred for life. Live from their Harbourside mansion.

We still have that 50’s xenophobia in Australia you know...Eyetalians and all that. Nothing unusual about that. A dingo took my bayyybeee maaaaate.

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Re: 2018 Tdf SBS commentary

Postby find_bruce » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:53 am

Seems we have a better class of viewers than the ⚽️ who were complaining about Lucy Zelic pronouncing player’s names correctly :D

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