Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

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Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby Cyclophiliac » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:59 am

(sigh) If only we had this in Australia, along with a better attitude towards cyclists of course.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/17/brea ... lake-garda

I'll be using a nice shared path in France next month some time, at least for short parts of a few of my rides. It's the Voie Verte des Gaves (https://www.lourdes-infotourisme.com/web/EN/510-leisure-facilities.php?item=LOIMID065FS0001D), and runs for 18km between Lourdes and Pierrefitte-Nestalas. I've ridden on it before and it makes Australian shared paths look pretty poor by comparison. The pedestrians aren't hostile to cyclists there.

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby g-boaf » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:22 am

Cyclophiliac wrote:(sigh) If only we had this in Australia, along with a better attitude towards cyclists of course.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/17/brea ... lake-garda

I'll be using a nice shared path in France next month some time, at least for short parts of a few of my rides. It's the Voie Verte des Gaves (https://www.lourdes-infotourisme.com/web/EN/510-leisure-facilities.php?item=LOIMID065FS0001D), and runs for 18km between Lourdes and Pierrefitte-Nestalas. I've ridden on it before and it makes Australian shared paths look pretty poor by comparison. The pedestrians aren't hostile to cyclists there.


Hmm, the one I ride on a lot in Australia is nearly 40km non stop and also has lights all the way along it. It is also quite a bit wider than your one mentioned above.

It's good because you can cruise along at 35-40km/h most of the way without interruptions. There are a few pedestrians here and there, but there is also heaps of room to pass them with a big gap. Spider webs are a hazard in summer at night or early morning though.

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby Jmuzz » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:07 pm

Yeah I ride the same daily and it is a premium mini highway can't ask for much more. (Water, legal pee points, no puddle closure). Majority is wide enough to squeeze past a maintinance truck on the path.
If only the motorway path network went right around the ring on the M4, M5, M2. Would be a great link for many suburbs to commute into city.

Few pedestrians use it since it not some beach view walk and it's a long way between exits.

They are supposed to be doing the same for new M12 out to new Badgerys Creek airport, which will provide an important commute link for workers and provide a free (though athletic) commute for airport workers from some old poor suburbs which will be valuable to them.

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby g-boaf » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:45 pm

Jmuzz wrote:They are supposed to be doing the same for new M12 out to new Badgerys Creek airport, which will provide an important commute link for workers and provide a free (though athletic) commute for airport workers from some old poor suburbs which will be valuable to them.

That would be very, very useful.

The more of these kinds of fast and wide, non-stop cycleways are built, the better. They make it efficient and easy for people to go places without time-wasting stop-starts.

And you are right, when the maintenance vehicles are on the M7 cycleway, I can get past them with no bother. These are usually vehicles like the VW Tiguan or similar in size. It is just well done. It is the way all cycleways should be built.

More of these around all of the major motorways, M5, M4, etc would be very useful. The M4 badly needs the current local path extended out to Penrith or beyond. The current path finishes around Wentworthville.

If you want more people riding, that's the way to get them riding.

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby commute » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:52 pm

I'm jealous of the way intersections are designed in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQMgbDJPok&

Here we have lots of examples of bike lanes just vanishing at intersections.

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby human909 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:04 am

commute wrote:I'm jealous of the way intersections are designed in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQMgbDJPok&

Here we have lots of examples of bike lanes just vanishing at intersections.


Vanishing lanes are one of the more troublesome and more intimidating aspects for less confident and skilled cyclists. (AKA the majority)

For the confident and skilled cyclist vanishing lanes can be an improvement over other poorly thought out lanes and in some ways they can be safer than regular width lanes as it encourages merging before the conflict point. Left and right hooks being key issues with gutter hugging bike lanes and Australian motorists.

The Netherlands still has many places with on road lanes. But they would normally continue, speeds are lower and motorists are more aware....

As an aside, take a look at how empty that street is of cars! This is 2.5km from the centre of Amsterdam! No wonder the Dutch are also the world's most happy DRIVERS.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/dutc ... 11243.html

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby Scintilla » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:06 pm

Road infrastructure (or lack of it really).


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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby AdelaidePeter » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:05 pm

My son has gone Denmark -> Germany -> Netherlands and has found some very nice dedicated paths. Here's one in in northern Germany, between Hamburg and Bressen: Image
And here's a Google maps link to a 360 picture which I think must be the same path: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.1172199 ... 704!8i4352

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Re: Bicycle infrastructure in other countries

Postby commute » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:33 am

human909 wrote:
Vanishing lanes are one of the more troublesome and more intimidating aspects for less confident and skilled cyclists. (AKA the majority)

For the confident and skilled cyclist vanishing lanes can be an improvement over other poorly thought out lanes ...



The vanishing ones near me are a double edged sword. Merging with motorists is much faster than being forced off the road at a sharp angle, and I usually opt for this. But merging is also dangerous, even for the confident. So many cars try to force their way in front.

The Dutch even do roundabouts logically too.
https://youtu.be/41XBzAOmmIU
Bikes / pedestrians get priority in urban areas, cars get it in rural areas.

Meanwhile in here is a great example of what our roundabouts lead to. https://youtube.com/watch?v=O7U5V7Y3Jkg#

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