Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

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Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

Postby Thoglette » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:41 pm

El Pais: Madrid announces new rules of the road in bid to banish traffic from center
Madrid 5 OCT 2018 - 13:30 CEST

MIGUEL ÁNGEL MEDINA wrote:Madrid City Council is set to approve a new Sustainable Mobility Ordinance that will change the way residents move around public spaces.

The new measures, which will take effect between five and 15 days after the council approves them on Friday, introduce a speed limit of 30km/h on all one-way streets and on single-lane two-way streets.

Under the new rules, motorcycles will not be allowed to park on sidewalks less than three meters wide or near pedestrian crossings. Bicycles will be able to make right [left] turns at red lights where indicated. And new traffic restrictions will go into effect in the downtown area on November 23.

New speed limits
Besides the 30km/h limit on one-way streets and single-lane two-way streets, the city will slow traffic down to 20km/h on streets where the sidewalk is not elevated above road level, such as in the neighborhoods of Lavapiés and Chueca. The 30km/h rule will affect 80% of Madrid’s streets – not just in the downtown area. These measures aim to increase road safety and reduce the chance of accidents involving pedestrians.

Pedestrians
The spirit of the new ordinance is to favor sustainable mobility. New signs will indicate the presence of “Zonas 30,” where pedestrians may cross the street at any spot after checking that they are not running a risk or slowing down traffic. And in “Calles 20,” pedestrians will have priority over vehicles. The city is also planning to roll out more traffic lights with incorporated cameras, and to designate “pedestrian special protection spaces” where neither motorcycles nor bicycles will be allowed to park.

Bicycles
Bicycles will be able to turn right on a red light where so indicated. They may also move against the traffic on residential streets with speed limits of 20km/h or under, and on shared-use lanes. The 30km/h speed limit on many streets also seeks to favor shared road space between motorists and cyclists. The latter will also be allowed to lock their bikes to street furniture as long as they don’t block the way for pedestrians.

Some other restrictions on parking of cars and motorcycles. No general repeal of "jay walking" laws but I suspect they're not enforced either.
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Re: Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

Postby uart » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:49 pm

LOL, the motoring lobby would stark raving bat crap crazy if they tried that here. :D

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Postby antigee » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:21 pm

uart wrote:LOL, the motoring lobby would stark raving bat crap crazy if they tried that here. :D


if it was the RACV they wouldn't be able to put together a response that would stand up to scrutiny - according to them reducing the speed limit to 30km/hr is the same as reducing the average speed to 30km/hr - can only assume this is based on drivers not slowing or stopping for intersections, traffic lights or out of consideration for other road users :shock: Need to realise that significant number of drivers react to congestion by driving at legally permitted but dangerous to others speeds in between being stationary

RACV Magazine Oct 2018:

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Interesting article on impact in Bristol, UK (population 0.5m) that has had very extensive 20mph speed limits for some time:

"Bristol 20mph zones: Four lives a year saved, study finds"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-43050841

not so long since Melbourne (CBD) Council produced some discussion papers on the topic to have Andrews and opposition state politicians intervene in the press:

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/vict ... 4zmtr.html

Andrews, Guy give thumbs down to Capp's 'ridiculous' CBD traffic plan


"...............Pedestrians would be given priority in Melbourne’s CBD, with the council considering drastic changes including increasing the time pedestrians have to cross at junctions, cutting the speed limit to 30kmh, reducing on-street parking and making fewer streets open to two-way traffic.......

...........‘‘Increasing the level of walking connectivity by 10 per cent would increase the value of the Hoddle Grid economy by $2.1 billion per annum,’’ the council's paper reads."

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Re: Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

Postby Thoglette » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:58 pm

Madrid restricts traffic in city centre to improve air quality
ABC wrote:Most petrol and diesel cars have been banned from the heart of Madrid as the city tries to improve the air quality in one of Europe's most polluted capitals.
Key points:

The plan has been challenged in court and could be ended before it is fully implemented
There are some exemptions like those for residents of the centre, electric or hybrid vehicles and motorcycles
Police will patrol the area but no fines will be issued during the first few months of the ban

Police patrolled dozens of access points to the almost 5-square-kilometre area of the Spanish capital — including the Gran Via avenue and Puerta del Sol square teeming with tourists — to block all cars except those with exemptions, or that were electric or hybrid powered.

Grinding traffic jams and a lot of older or diesel vehicles, plus a frequently windless dry climate, have contributed to the high levels of nitrogen dioxide in Madrid that have been in violation of European regulations since 2010.
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Re: Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

Postby opik_bidin » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:24 am

Just follow this twitter account.

https://twitter.com/20splentyforus

it's promoting and informing that speed limit in cities and high density areas should be 30 kmh~20 MPH

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Postby AUbicycles » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:03 am

On the Madrid change, one factor worth considering is population density and traffic levels. This isn't an excuse for Australian cities which are young and where urban sprawl defined residential growth... more so about appropriate speeds in urban and dense areas.

Low speed limits can discourage motor traffic - and as they benefit slow traffic, this in turn becomes more convenient and transport develops into links and connections as opposed to a private motor vehicle being the single required link between A and B.

Over time Australian centres will progressively prioritise slow traffic and introduce hubs and connections and one of the fastest ways to reinvigorate a tired town centres is exactly that - pedestrian zones focussed around shopping, gastro and culture.

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Re: Meanwhile, in the real world: Madrid announces 30kph limits and more

Postby Thoglette » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:48 pm

AUbicycles wrote: This isn't an excuse for Australian cities which are young and where urban sprawl defined residential growth... more so about appropriate speeds in urban and dense areas.

Agreed.
Particularly as significant parts of our cities (certainly the big four) near the CBD and satellite areas (e.g. Chatswood and surrounds; Scarborough/Innaloo/Glendalough; Auchenflower/Toowong/Indoorroopilly ) are definitely densely populated.

The 1/4 acre block on wide leafy streets is more and more a figment of imagination than reality: new developments are dense enough that there's barely a patch of lawn around the miniature McMansions we're building.
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