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		<title>Bike Test: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo (part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Beveridge</dc:creator>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>continued from <a title="Bike Test: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo (part 1)" href="http://www.bicycles.net.au/2009/10/bike-test-pro-lite-gallileo-and-cuneo-part-1/">Part 1</a><strong></strong></p>
<p>Part 2: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo road bikes test by Danny Beveridge.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>In the Sprint</strong><br />
Everyone knows that if your wheels or your frame flexes in the sprint, you lose power.</p>
<p>The thing is&#8230; everyone&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>When a frame flexes, it stores energy. That energy doesn&#8217;t get transferred to the wheels straight away. But as anyone knows, when you let go of a compressed spring, the energy you stored in it comes bursting out. In the case of a bike, only the smallest fraction of energy gets lost as heat or sound energy.</p>
<p>An exception to this rule occurs when you provide the bike another outlet for this energy. This happens when you unweight the back wheel for example. Alternatively, if the amount of flex causes the wheel to rub its brake pads or the frame, the resulting friction can rob the rider of some speed.</p>
<p>So how do the Pro-Lites stack up in this regard? Neither bike is the stiffest in the world, but both of them performed adequately. The Gallileo appeared to flex a little more in the frame than the Cuneo and both had quite a different ride character.</p>
<p>What was very noticeable was the flex in the Stelvio wheels on the Cuneo. The Cuneo aluminium 30mm rims actually broke the Golden Rule&#8230; Thou shalt not flex so much that rim rubs brake pad. In one attempt, a rider actually managed to shift the caliper in its mount! Pro-Lite have suggested that caliper may not have been perfectly centred and as a new bike, the brake setup and rim clearance may need some fine tuning after the first few rides.</p>
<p>Conversely, the Pro-Lite Gavia (50mm Carbon Fibre) rims were unflappable. If it&#8217;s the sprint that matters, these won&#8217;t let you down. Pro-Lite are very proud of their &#8220;Bolzano&#8221; hubs and if you&#8217;re interested, you can read up on the technology on their <a href="http://www.pro-liteoz.com">website</a>. It certainly seems to live up to the hype as the end result is a very solid wheel.</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/archive/content_img/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_wheelsets.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Wheelsets" /></p>
<p>As mentioned, both bikes had quite a different sprint character. The Cuneo tracked straight and felt more solid, which in turn made the rider more confident to stomp on it harder.</p>
<p>Conversely, the Gallileo danced around a little more under power. This had advantages too, the bike followed the rider more closely and as a result, pedal stroke was straighter and directly though the top of the pedal.</p>
<p>It should come as no surprise that the absolute performance difference between the two bikes isn&#8217;t measurable without a power meter. More important than technical data is how you feel on the bike. Nothing beats trying before you buy to find out what works for you.</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_uphill2.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Wheelsets" /></p>
<p><strong><br />
Comfort</strong><br />
Although we often attribute the ride characteristics of a bike to the frame, the reality is that the frame alone doesn&#8217;t reveal the whole story.</p>
<p>For one thing &#8211; the wheels are the first things through which road shocks are transmitted. The stiffness of the wheels and the length of the spokes determine how much of the road &#8220;noise&#8221; will even make it to the forks and dropouts. From there, the length of the stem and the amount of seatpost showing will have a big impact on how strong those vibrations are by the time they reach the contact point. Finally, the saddle, bars and bar tape offer a level of shock absorbtion.</p>
<p>The Gallileo was at a huge disadvantage here. It had significantly stiffer wheels, shorter spokes and a shorter stem &#8211; and it showed. The Gallileo seemed to pick up every little bump whereas the Cuneo seemed a lot less affected by the bumps.</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_riding_cuneo.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Comfort" /></p>
<p>Does that mean aluminium dampens vibrations better than carbon fibre? Of course not, with such differences in contact points, it would be unfair to compare them directly. Comfort is not just down to the frame material. A decision should not be made on frame material alone without any consideration of the other attributes.</p>
<p>But which material does dampen vibration the best? The truth is, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Technically speaking, steel (the supposed benchmark for a comfortable ride) has some of the worst vibration dampening characteristics of any material! Comfort is not the same as &#8216;vibration dampening&#8217; and this is a topic we&#8217;ll get into in more detail in another feature.</p>
<p>What does this mean for you? You can&#8217;t rely on just the frame material alone to predict how a bike will ride. Comfort is about geometry, tubing size, tubing shape, tubing thickness and even the type of stem! (Again!!)</p>
<p><strong><br />
The Verdict</strong><br />
There were a few things that really stood out in our tests.</p>
<p>First and foremost was the performance of the Cuneo frame. The 7046 tubing really gave the Gallileo a run for its money. While there are reasons to go for a full carbon frame, the Cuneo made us question nearly all of our assumptions.  So much for an &#8216;entry-level&#8217; frame, and yet it can be had for an &#8216;entry-level&#8217; $535! (not including the fork).</p>
<p>Another top performer was the Pro-Lite San Carlo saddle. Pro-Lite don&#8217;t have a huge range of saddles and this seems to make sense. If you can have professional-level performance without paying hundreds of dollars, why would you need hundreds of intermediate models? This saddle easily competes with the Selle Italia SLR we have on another bike.</p>
<p>The Gavia wheelset was just brilliant. Although people tend to overestimate the aerodynamic advantage you can obtain from wheels like these, they really were great wheels &#8211; particularly in the sprint where their stiffness came into play. To be fair, though, we&#8217;d have to also praise the the Stelvio&#8217;s too. With bladed spokes and 30mm rims, we expect a powermeter to show they&#8217;re quite aerodynamic in their own right. And while quite a bit softer than the Gavia&#8217;s, this did seem to make the ride quality a lot smoother.</p>
<p>Another surprise was how often the issue of stem choice came up. Your choice of stem can make a huge difference to aerodynamics, steering and comfort. The differences due to stem choice really put some of the other aspects into perspective.</p>
<p>The affordability of the Pro-Lite equipment in general was really impressive too. The Stelvio and Gavia rims offer features not generally available anywhere else at their price point. And good value for money are the tubular versions of the Gavia (circa $1299 for a full race wheelset). We&#8217;ve already mentioned how highly we rate the Cuneo, but the Gallileo is tremendous value in its own right &#8211; test it against frames of considerably higher cost and compare for yourself.</p>
<p>Pro-Lite Stelvio 30mm Alloy Clincher Wheelset $550<br />
Pro-Lite Gavia 50mm Full Carbon Clincher Wheelset $1799 ($1299 for tubular)<br />
Pro-Lite Cuneo Frame $499rrp or $800rrp as a frameset with fork &amp; headset<br />
Pro-Lite Gallileo Frame $1799rrp or $2100rrp as a frameset with fork &amp; headset</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_stelvio.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Stelvio" /></p>
<p>Our short test shows that Cuneo and Gallileo from Pro-Lite are certainly bikes that you could fall in love with, not least because of their combination of performance and affordability.</p>
<p>By just glancing at the bikes and checking out the specs, though, there is no way to predict how each bike would perform. In our tests, there was a lot of traditional wisdom either disproven, or proven insignificant.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t stress how important it is to get on the saddle and try them out! So get out there, get on the saddle and see for yourself &#8211; and end up with a bike that suits you perfectly.</p>
<p>Test Bikes and expert advice were provided by Paul at Cycles on Nicklin.<br />
<em>Shop 1 727 Nicklin Way, Currimundi Qld 4551, Ph: 07 5309 5174</em></p>
<p>You can see more information and pricing for Pro-Lite products in Australia online: <a href="http://www.pro-liteoz.com" target="_blank">www.pro-liteoz.com</a></p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_uphill.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Bike Test" /></p>
<p><em><a title="Bike Test: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo (part 1)" href="http://www.bicycles.net.au/2009/10/bike-test-pro-lite-gallileo-and-cuneo-part-1/">Read Part 1</a> of the two part review.</em></p>
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		<title>Bike Test: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo (part 1)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Danny Beveridge</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pro-Lite is a new contender in Australia and Danny Beveridge has taken both the SRAM Red speced Gallileo and Cuneo road bikes through their paces.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Part 1: Buying a bike is as easy as falling off a log. There are literally thousands of online retailers peddling thousands of pedallers. In a lot of cases, they offer items cheaper than you would find at a local bricks and mortar store. </strong></p>
<p>HOWEVER&#8230; Buying the right bike can be hard.</p>
<p><strong>The problem is&#8230;</strong><br />
No sizing chart can guarantee the jersey will fit.<br />
No blurb can tell you how comfortable those knicks will be.<br />
And no synonym for &#8220;laterally stiff yet vertically compliant&#8221; can ever tell you how that bike will really ride.</p>
<p>Today we&#8217;re publishing the first of the world&#8217;s most practical bike reviews. We won&#8217;t describe things in clich?d superlatives and in fact we&#8217;re not reviewing a bike at all! Today, we&#8217;re comparing the similarly speced Pro-Lite Gallileo with a Pro-Lite Cuneo. We&#8217;re cutting through a whole heap of marketing fluff and getting to the heart of what really matters and how it&#8217;ll affect your ride.</p>
<p>Also, we want to highlight the real value of expert advice when considering a purchase and give you some useful tips for when you go and test ride your dream machine.</p>
<p><strong>About the brand</strong><br />
The Taiwanese brand Pro-Lite is more established in the US and Europe &#8211; particularly with their wheelsets which have a good reputation for quality and performance at a lower price point. Pro-Lite make a wide range of components; hubs; stems; cranks; headsets and of course frames and forks. Behind the scenes though, the bulk of their business is OEM production for other companies.</p>
<p>Pro-Lite gear has been previously available in certain areas of Australia from a few specialist bike shops and now the brand is looked after Pro-Lite Australia who are setting up more formal distribution Australia wide. Lets get to their bikes, the top of the line Gallileo and the entry-level Cuneo.</p>
<p><strong>The Rigs</strong><br />
Paul from Cycles on Nicklin (Sunshine Coast, Queensland) supplied us with the Pro-Lite bicycles but said you shouldn&#8217;t get tied down by the setups of the test bikes. All the bicycles he sells are customised to suit your needs exactly. He and his team can talk to you about the kind of riding you do and help build a tailored package for you.</p>
<p>The Pro-Lite Gallileo is a full carbon monocoque frame weighing in at 1235g in the 52cm size tested. The Cuneo is all-aluminium, weighing in at approximately 1189g as tested. That&#8217;s right! 56 grams lighter than the carbon frame!</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_gallileo.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Gallileo" /></p>
<p>Pro-Lite call the Cuneo their &#8220;answer to scandium&#8221;. It&#8217;s made out of 7046 tubing, apparently 16% stronger and 12% lighter than the 7005 tubing that most aluminium frames are made of.</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_cuneo.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Cuneo" /></p>
<p>The only other differences between the two bikes were the cassettes (Shimano 105 on the Cuneo and SRAM Red on the Gallileo) and the wheels. The Gallieo was sporting Pro-Lite&#8217;s Gavia 50mm carbon rims while the Cuneo rolled on Pro-Lite&#8217;s Stelvio 30mm aluminium rims.</p>
<p>Both bikes had SRAM Red Groupsets and the same Pro-Lite branded seat, post, bars, stem and forks. On paper the Gallileo (with its heavier rims and frame) should have given away around 41 grams to the Cuneo but with its deep rims had a slight aerodynamic advantage.</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_stem.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Stem" /></p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_saddle_seatpost.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Seatpost and Saddle" /></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get us wrong here, we only mention this difference because we know you want to know! That&#8217;s a small enough difference on paper that it would almost be a coin toss as to which one would win on the scales &#8211; a mouthful of water or a rear reflector would completely wipe out any difference!</p>
<p><strong>On The Flat</strong><br />
The only obvious difference between these two bikes on the flat as far as performance is concerned should be the different wheels. To get an idea of what kind of effect these different wheels might have, we&#8217;re going to have a look at things practically as well as theoretically.</p>
<p>First of all was a practical test. Enough clever people have done enough research and development to tell us that the 50mm wheels on the Gallileo ought to slice through the wind better, but would we be able to tell the difference? Really?</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_pair.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite" /></p>
<p>Two test riders took a warm up ride and then tried to maintain a constant speed side by side. The two riders wore heart rate monitors and compared their individual bpm. A power meter would have been more accurate, but we weren&#8217;t interested in proving that there is a difference, but to give you an idea of how big (or small) that difference is.</p>
<p>The result was that after both riders swapped bikes, no consistent difference could be established. Based on both post-ride averages and on-the-fly interpretation of the data, we couldn&#8217;t say we&#8217;d found a statistically significant advantage for the Gallileo.</p>
<p>Why? Firstly, there were fairly strong winds on the day we tested (up to 20km/h) and also, we realised too that the different stem angles and lengths tilted things in the Cuneo&#8217;s favour. The Cuneo had a longer stem pointed downwards, compared to the Gallileo&#8217;s short stem pointed upwards. This puts the Cuneo rider in a more aerodynamic position and it appeared that this alone evened the stakes.</p>
<p>But to give you an idea of the absolute advantage of the deeper rims, have a look at biketechreview&#8217;s <a href="http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm">article on wheel theory</a>. In Kraig Willett&#8217;s examples, he estimates the advantage of an aerodynamic set of wheels to be around 2.3% &#8211; 2.4% on flat terrain.</p>
<p>A rider on the hoods puts out around about 200 Watts at 30 km/h. In this situation, using Kraig&#8217;s calculations, these aerodynamic rims would see your speed increase to approximately 30.27km/h.</p>
<p>Paul advised us that the upgrade from the Stelvio aluminium rims to the Gavia carbon ones would be around $1,000. This gives you an idea of what you&#8217;re getting for that upgrade. While the absolute increase might not be that noticeable on your group rides, it&#8217;s different of course when you&#8217;re in a race situation (particularly TT&#8217;s) and every second counts. Another advantage is the stiffness and feel of the carbon wheels but we&#8217;ll discuss that in more detail later.</p>
<p><strong>On The Hills</strong><br />
Conventional wisdom will tell you that a good hill climbing bike will be light and stiff. And clearly when it comes to climbing, the lighter the better. When the day comes that we get a chance to test a balsa-wood bike, we&#8217;ll probably confirm that at some point, stiffness is important as well.</p>
<p>The reality of a long slow hill climb is that the power we put into the pedals is limited by our engine. Maintaining the same cadence, you can only sustain the same amount of pedal force on a hill as you can on the flat.</p>
<p>Of course if you tend to grind a big gear up the hills, the force (as opposed to power) might be higher so in that case, the amount of flex may make a difference to you. We&#8217;ll go into the issue of flex in the section on sprinting &#8211; so file all of your assumptions away until then!</p>
<p><img style="border-style: none; vertical-align: middle; float: none;" src="http://www.bicycles.net.au/fileadmin/articles/articles_09/pro-lite/pro-lite_hill.jpg" alt="Pro-Lite Hills" /></p>
<p>Subjectively, we liked the carbon Gallileo, and ironically, this might have been because it had more flex in the rear end! It&#8217;s really just an issue of feel &#8211; spinning up a hill is fundamentally no different to spinning along the flat.</p>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t prove the Gallileo was any faster, but nor did we expect to. If you want to know what difference you might actually achieve up the hills have a look at the table below. As tested, remember, the Cuneo should have been the lighter bike by around 41 grams.</p>
<p>These figures are based on an 8% gradient at 200 Watts. Weight is for rider and bike total.</p>
<p><em>At 75kg for bike and rider, a 41gram weight shaving takes speed from 10.638km/h to 10.643km/h (+0.005km/h).</em></p>
<p>At 95kg for bike and rider, a 41 gram weight shaving takes speed from 8.6305km/h to almost 8.634km/h (+0.0035km/h)</p>
<p>What you should note from this (besides that how small those increases are) is that each kilo you shed increases your speed by more than the last kilo you shed.</p>
<p>We always hear about how great a bike climbs the hills, but an important part of riding in the hills is the ability to descend. As tested, the difference in handling between the two bikes was as much a result of stem choice as frame material. One rider preferred the long stem and more solid ride of the Cuneo and the other preferred the quicker steering of the short stemmed Gallileo.</p>
<p>So which one is better? Well really, this is why you need to go to your bike shop and try them out yourself. Weight is weight and it&#8217;s great that you can ask about the weight of a bike without having to ride it. But the cyclist that goes up must come down, so be sure to take descending performance into consideration.</p>
<p>The Pro-Lite bikes can offer ascending descending characteristics to suit any rider depending on spec, but you need to work out your preferences for yourself. Herein lies the benefit of buying a bike you&#8217;ve ridden for yourself. And when you are taking a test ride, make sure the stem (and bars, etc.) you have on the bike is the same as the one you are intending to buy as they really do have a large impact on performance.</p>
<p><a title="Bike Test: Pro-Lite Gallileo and Cuneo (part 2)" href="http://www.bicycles.net.au/2009/10/bike-test-pro-lite-gallileo-and-cuneo-part-2/">continue to Part 2 &gt;</a></p>
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