George Robinson and Rob's Cycles, Blackburn VIC.
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George Robinson and Rob's Cycles, Blackburn VIC.
Postby 531db » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:20 pm
Kukamunga asked about Rob's Cycles in another thread in this forum.
It just so happens that a few years ago I did some research into George and his cycle shop, as in about 1992 I purchased a frame from George, which is definitely vintage as you will see when I post photo's later.
Briefly, George's story goes something like this:
George was discharged from the RAAF in 1944, and opened Rob's Cycles and Sports in Main St, Blackburn in that year. Firstly it was mainly a bicycle repair shop, but after the war ended, George started making frames, possibly in 1947.
Warren Meade has told me George was well known for building some very nice lugless frames, and also built frames with the seatstays that ran across the sea tube and ended at the top tube ("GT" style).
George was heavily involved in racing in the local area, and helped form the Blackburn Cycling Club in 1946.
George continued to build frames to about 1982-4.
In about 1992 I visited George's shop and ended up buying a c1960's NOS frame he had tucked out of sight in the rafters. I regret it now, but George also offered me the last frame he ever built, a Reynolds 531 in close to my size, but unpainted. Unfortunately I had just splashed out money on a new custom Hillman road frame and could not afford the Rob' 531.
George finally closed his shop in 1999, and sadly he passed away 10 May 2005.
It just so happens that a few years ago I did some research into George and his cycle shop, as in about 1992 I purchased a frame from George, which is definitely vintage as you will see when I post photo's later.
Briefly, George's story goes something like this:
George was discharged from the RAAF in 1944, and opened Rob's Cycles and Sports in Main St, Blackburn in that year. Firstly it was mainly a bicycle repair shop, but after the war ended, George started making frames, possibly in 1947.
Warren Meade has told me George was well known for building some very nice lugless frames, and also built frames with the seatstays that ran across the sea tube and ended at the top tube ("GT" style).
George was heavily involved in racing in the local area, and helped form the Blackburn Cycling Club in 1946.
George continued to build frames to about 1982-4.
In about 1992 I visited George's shop and ended up buying a c1960's NOS frame he had tucked out of sight in the rafters. I regret it now, but George also offered me the last frame he ever built, a Reynolds 531 in close to my size, but unpainted. Unfortunately I had just splashed out money on a new custom Hillman road frame and could not afford the Rob' 531.
George finally closed his shop in 1999, and sadly he passed away 10 May 2005.
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Re: George Robinson and Rob's Cycles, Blackburn VIC.
Postby MichaelB » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:54 am
Nice looking bike, but why the regret ?531db wrote: ....
In about 1992 I visited George's shop and ended up buying a c1960's NOS frame he had tucked out of sight in the rafters. I regret it now, .....
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Re: George Robinson and Rob's Cycles, Blackburn VIC.
Postby xcamx » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:44 pm
I think he regrets not buying the other frame he was offered, not the frame he did buy.MichaelB wrote:Nice looking bike, but why the regret ?531db wrote: ....
In about 1992 I visited George's shop and ended up buying a c1960's NOS frame he had tucked out of sight in the rafters. I regret it now, .....
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grizzle....
Postby WyvernRH » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:14 pm
Its not fair! Why do I never find bikes/frames in this condition?
I always seem to be fated to find and attempt to resurrect rusty remains involving much work with torch, file and wire wool and then scouring the planet for parts!
Ok, whinge over...
Very nice bikes chaps, with lots of local interesting detail attached!
(retires muttering back to his shed......)
Richard
I always seem to be fated to find and attempt to resurrect rusty remains involving much work with torch, file and wire wool and then scouring the planet for parts!
Ok, whinge over...
Very nice bikes chaps, with lots of local interesting detail attached!
(retires muttering back to his shed......)
Richard
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Re: grizzle....
Postby kukamunga » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:09 pm
Ahh.... something to do with your geographical location, maybe?WyvernRH wrote:Its not fair! Why do I never find bikes/frames in this condition?
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George Robinson & Rob's Cycles Blackburn Vic.
Postby Blockchain » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:11 pm
Good to see the Rob's Special logo again. I rode with Blackburn in the late 50's and early 60's and had two of Robbies bikes. It was a great shop to visit and he was so very helpfull to young racers.
Actually he made very few lugless frames you had to be someone deserving as they took him a lot longer to make than the conventional lugged frames.
One at least survives with it's origional owner and is so tailor made that the seat post is fixed brazed in place - no extra weight like a bolt!
A feature in the shop was a tiny track racing bike with perhaps twelve inch diameter wheels that Robbie had made, I often wonder what became of it.
Thats a very nice frame pictured, thanks for putting it on - good memories.
Cheers.
Actually he made very few lugless frames you had to be someone deserving as they took him a lot longer to make than the conventional lugged frames.
One at least survives with it's origional owner and is so tailor made that the seat post is fixed brazed in place - no extra weight like a bolt!
A feature in the shop was a tiny track racing bike with perhaps twelve inch diameter wheels that Robbie had made, I often wonder what became of it.
Thats a very nice frame pictured, thanks for putting it on - good memories.
Cheers.
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Re: grizzle....
Postby WyvernRH » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:21 pm
Very perceptive, people in the Hunter area do seem have always wanted the latest stuff and the old gets tossed in the shed to rust slowly away or taken off to the tip. I have met many examples...kukamunga wrote:Ahh.... something to do with your geographical location, maybe?WyvernRH wrote:Its not fair! Why do I never find bikes/frames in this condition?
The state rail employee riding to work on grandad's 5-star track bike with the bars upsidedown and using his foot to brake. Wouldn't sell and when seen later on a supermarket special confessed he had tossed it down a mine shaft to get rid of it (he nearly joined it...)
And again,years ago a friend who restores Tiger Moths looked into a barn next to his airfield and found a pile of bicycles rusting into the earth, stomped all over by cows! We managed to salvage the rusty, slightly bent and (sadly) incomplete remains of a German gas meter readers bike with a 3-speed gearbox in the bottom bracket and a few parts but that was about all in a huge pile of once proud sports bikes (and a few roadsters) Apparently the farmers dad had been keeping them for scrap
Cheers
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Postby 531db » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:57 pm
Going by the serial #, I'd say your Rob Special is by Kuwahara. My 1982 Apollo IV by Kuwahara has exactly the same numbering sequence pattern.kukamunga wrote:Thanx 531db! You inspired me to go out and take a few 'happy snaps'
Going by the serial #, I'd say I've got a twenty-four year old bike here (ignoring the saddle).
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Rob's Cycles - Blackburn
Postby Allwork » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:32 am
Good evening to all,
This is my first post on this forum, and is about a bike shop/person/event that I have fond memories of.
My father took me to Rob's Cycles as an 10 or 11 year old to choose a bicycle for my Xmas present - this was 30 years ago
I can remember looking at all the bikes and being asked to choose one - not sure how it happened (Mr Robinson and Dad colluded perhaps) however I ended up with a red and blue steel framed bicycle, coaster brake, mudguards and a pack rack - it had the 28 * 1 3/8 inch wheels.
Being new, and with 28 inch wheels it was the fastest treadly in the street, for a while there, the only tyres I could easily get hold of to suit the rims were from KMart.
This bike took me everywhere for many years, including a rides from Mitcham to Mt Dandenong a number of times - no helmets (were for BMX competition only). Riding up the hill to the observation carpark seemed to take forever, the ride down, one of the biggest thrills, easily keeping up with cars.
It also had to double up as a paper round/pamphlet delivery bike until I was 18 and was allowed to drive.
Replacing the cotter pins seemed to be a regular problem as the pedalling and braking forces on the cranks (trying to stop and start 25kg plus load of paper) would cause them to work loose or crush the machine face.
Must have a look around Dad's shed one day - might still be there up in the rafters.
Bikes since then have also been interesting in a retro sort of way - a brand new (1982) 25" framed ricardo racing bike with the weinman grooved (for superior braking performance in wet weather....?) alloy rims bought from the Gray's (?) bikeshop in Mitcham (my brother still has it!), a Shogun Trail Breaker 3 MTB bought in 1986 (I still have it - photos to be posted), and a genuine Australia Post delivery bike bought from a garage sale for $15 about 10 years ago.
Great forum, typing this has brought back some recollection of the Dragster to BMX/Cruiser era, food for another post.
Bye
This is my first post on this forum, and is about a bike shop/person/event that I have fond memories of.
My father took me to Rob's Cycles as an 10 or 11 year old to choose a bicycle for my Xmas present - this was 30 years ago
I can remember looking at all the bikes and being asked to choose one - not sure how it happened (Mr Robinson and Dad colluded perhaps) however I ended up with a red and blue steel framed bicycle, coaster brake, mudguards and a pack rack - it had the 28 * 1 3/8 inch wheels.
Being new, and with 28 inch wheels it was the fastest treadly in the street, for a while there, the only tyres I could easily get hold of to suit the rims were from KMart.
This bike took me everywhere for many years, including a rides from Mitcham to Mt Dandenong a number of times - no helmets (were for BMX competition only). Riding up the hill to the observation carpark seemed to take forever, the ride down, one of the biggest thrills, easily keeping up with cars.
It also had to double up as a paper round/pamphlet delivery bike until I was 18 and was allowed to drive.
Replacing the cotter pins seemed to be a regular problem as the pedalling and braking forces on the cranks (trying to stop and start 25kg plus load of paper) would cause them to work loose or crush the machine face.
Must have a look around Dad's shed one day - might still be there up in the rafters.
Bikes since then have also been interesting in a retro sort of way - a brand new (1982) 25" framed ricardo racing bike with the weinman grooved (for superior braking performance in wet weather....?) alloy rims bought from the Gray's (?) bikeshop in Mitcham (my brother still has it!), a Shogun Trail Breaker 3 MTB bought in 1986 (I still have it - photos to be posted), and a genuine Australia Post delivery bike bought from a garage sale for $15 about 10 years ago.
Great forum, typing this has brought back some recollection of the Dragster to BMX/Cruiser era, food for another post.
Bye
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Postby kukamunga » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:13 am
"012 HI-TENSION TUBES & FORKS, KCL JAPAN" decal. KCL = Kuwahara?531db wrote:Going by the serial #, I'd say your Rob Special is by Kuwahara. My 1982 Apollo IV by Kuwahara has exactly the same numbering sequence pattern.
So do you think the frame was made by Kuwahara?
I've since passed on this Apollo III / Kuwahara frame:-
so I can't compare serial ##. Rob's frame appears lower quality than Apollo III
There is no "Made in Japan" sticker on the Rob's frame, apart from tubing decal
So frame made by Rob's from Japanese tubing? Or fully made by Kuwahara.....?
I will look at frame a bit closer. I plan to put this bike on the market, if anyone is interested.....
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Postby 531db » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:12 pm
Frame (and probably bike) fully built by Kuwahawa. Decals applied by George.kukamunga wrote:"012 HI-TENSION TUBES & FORKS, KCL JAPAN" decal. KCL = Kuwahara?531db wrote:Going by the serial #, I'd say your Rob Special is by Kuwahara. My 1982 Apollo IV by Kuwahara has exactly the same numbering sequence pattern.
So do you think the frame was made by Kuwahara?
I've since passed on this Apollo III / Kuwahara frame:-
so I can't compare serial ##. Rob's frame appears lower quality than Apollo III
There is no "Made in Japan" sticker on the Rob's frame, apart from tubing decal
So frame made by Rob's from Japanese tubing? Or fully made by Kuwahara.....?
I will look at frame a bit closer. I plan to put this bike on the market, if anyone is interested.....
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:50 am
Trade frames & whole trade bicycles have been stickered with the LBS name for over a century, it's just impractical to turn out even small quantities of frames in the lower end of the market [the volume sellers] if you are a one or two man bike shop.
Whenever a bike shop had their own frame builder [often the proprietor] his tallents would mostly be focused on turning out quality 'made to customers order' frames & bikes as it was still a time consuming process & the quality bikes gave a better financial return on his efforts & if done properly, could well enhance his reputation while cheaper models never saw much respect & never the laurels of victory, yet still took almost as much time to build.
As competition stiffened in the 70's & 80's it would be very hard to resist a rep's offer to supply imported unlabeled trade bikes of acceptable quality at prices lower than the shop could build them for.
Whenever a bike shop had their own frame builder [often the proprietor] his tallents would mostly be focused on turning out quality 'made to customers order' frames & bikes as it was still a time consuming process & the quality bikes gave a better financial return on his efforts & if done properly, could well enhance his reputation while cheaper models never saw much respect & never the laurels of victory, yet still took almost as much time to build.
As competition stiffened in the 70's & 80's it would be very hard to resist a rep's offer to supply imported unlabeled trade bikes of acceptable quality at prices lower than the shop could build them for.
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Postby sketz55 » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:29 pm
you guys are amazing, first forum i have ever joined, this is going to be so much fun, hope my etique is ok, these retros are full of character and make riding so much more enjoyable, give them all a new lease of life
my first road bike was to be a "Robs Special" in 1983, however i chose the pearl white "Madison" instead.
found the girlfriend a 100% original Robs Special ladies bike, i love it, she doesnt like the colour, so it is on ebay.........boo hoo it has to go
looks like a kuwahara serial no. on the white robs special, as my 1984 "Kuwahara" Vitesse track bike is branded in the same spot in the same configuration
my first road bike was to be a "Robs Special" in 1983, however i chose the pearl white "Madison" instead.
found the girlfriend a 100% original Robs Special ladies bike, i love it, she doesnt like the colour, so it is on ebay.........boo hoo it has to go
looks like a kuwahara serial no. on the white robs special, as my 1984 "Kuwahara" Vitesse track bike is branded in the same spot in the same configuration
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