Clutched derailleurs
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Clutched derailleurs
Postby lone rider » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:21 am
Ive tried my best to tolerate the slower, crappier shifting and then there always seems to be a gear in the middle of the cluster which just doesnt sound good when the clutch is on but after never breaking a chain in my life and having 2 seperate ones break on this bike only Ive given up. Went for a 2hr ride with it off and it was bliss. I found it never totally eliminated chain slap anyway so not sure why I bothered for so long.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby march83 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:40 pm
If you're running a 2x the front derr does the job and there's really not much point in having a clutch except to reduce slap which is really a cosmetic/annoyance thing that really doesn't matter that much.
If you're breaking chains I'd be worried something else is going on - is your maintenance schedule on point? Is your suspension design giving the chain an extra workout and wearing them out quickly? Chains don't just break because of clutched derrs - clutched derrs are so widespread now and there isn't an epidemic of chain breakages .
Shift quality is definitely a step down, I know, I just replaced a 105 derr on my commuter which shifted
flawlessly and effortlessly, with an XT and a tanpan and now it's just that little bit heavier at the lever and a bit slower on the downshifts which is a shame, but at least it doesn't throw.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby mikgit » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:46 am
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby Tim » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:17 am
I run the above chains on 2X road bikes perfectly well but wonder what type of chains you are using?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby lone rider » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:01 pm
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby Mugglechops » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:35 am
Been running 11sp and 10sp clutched derailleurs for about 2 or 3 years now.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby ValleyForge » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:06 pm
Have the family MTBs all with clutched RDs now; 3x, 2x & 1x. Mind you they are all now Shimano and no shifting problems.lone rider wrote:Using Shimano HG chains and I've built bikes and always done my own maintence and never had issues on any other bike.
Anyone want any SRAM cassettes or RDs?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby m@ » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:20 pm
You know the cassettes are compatible with your Shimano drivetrains, right?ValleyForge wrote:Have the family MTBs all with clutched RDs now; 3x, 2x & 1x. Mind you they are all now Shimano and no shifting problems.lone rider wrote:Using Shimano HG chains and I've built bikes and always done my own maintence and never had issues on any other bike.
Anyone want any SRAM cassettes or RDs?
I've had the opposite experience - went from Shimano XT type 2 to whatever the SRAM clutched RD is called. Much prefer the SRAM system, no fiddling about adjusting tension or turning on/off.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby trailgumby » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:53 pm
I wouldn't go back to non-clutched. It's not any better.
If you've ever ridden MY2010 Shimano XT Rapid Rise (aka Low Normal) 3x9 with shifting integrated into the brake levers nothing will ever come close for ergonomics and smooth shifting. This was the second generation integrated shifting and it was a huge improvement ergonomically over the first generation. Simply brilliant. Unfortunately it was killed off when 10-speed and clutched RDs came out.
I've only ever dropped my front chain twice in 5 years of ownership. I credit the clutched RD for that.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby trailgumby » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:55 pm
SRAM cassettes (and chains) are made of cheese. Shimano componentry is like a fine wine. So I suppose they can go together.m@ wrote:You know the cassettes are compatible with your Shimano drivetrains, right?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby ValleyForge » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:47 pm
I'm not drinking fine wine with Coon cheese. There is a huge difference between "compatible" and "plays well together".trailgumby wrote:SRAM cassettes (and chains) are made of cheese. Shimano componentry is like a fine wine. So I suppose they can go together.m@ wrote:You know the cassettes are compatible with your Shimano drivetrains, right?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby Stredda » Fri May 18, 2018 9:46 am
I suppose it would depend on the riding you are doing, if you aren't doing big rough descents it probably won't be much of an issue. I know I love my clutch derailleur.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:44 am
ValleyForge wrote:I'm not drinking fine wine with Coon cheese. There is a huge difference between "compatible" and "plays well together".trailgumby wrote:SRAM cassettes (and chains) are made of cheese. Shimano componentry is like a fine wine. So I suppose they can go together.m@ wrote:You know the cassettes are compatible with your Shimano drivetrains, right?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby chriso_29er » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:53 pm
To be honest I didn't notice any shifting issues comparing my two bikes, 10 speed XT no clutch, the new bike 11 speed SLX clutched. SLX bike was silent with no chain slap and shifted beautifully.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby m@ » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:22 am
ValleyForge wrote:I'm not drinking fine wine with Coon cheese. There is a huge difference between "compatible" and "plays well together".trailgumby wrote:SRAM cassettes (and chains) are made of cheese. Shimano componentry is like a fine wine. So I suppose they can go together.m@ wrote:You know the cassettes are compatible with your Shimano drivetrains, right?
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby Calvin27 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:34 am
This was a few years ago but I bought a clutched RD to go on the MTB. I decided to to the 1x10 conversion first though and so the narrow wide went one. Several rides later I never got around to using the clutched RD and chain drops were basically fixed. Fast forward a few months and I've lost one chain too many on the graveller bike (ok I am really aggressive graveller but passive MTBr lol) so I decide to chuck the clutched RD on it an it too works.
In a nutshell, I'm a fan but narrow wide really took a huge slice out of the problem that is dropping chains.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby mikgit » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:03 pm
i have 3 bikes I rotate through (3x9 XT, 3x9 XTR and 2x10 clutched XT), if I come off one of the other bikes and ride the clutched mech, then I notice it, enough to be a mild irritant. Switched off I don't notice it. The shifting is just that little bit slower, so I just keep it off.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby trailgumby » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:04 pm
I'm running a SRAM cassette and crank on my son's AM 29er with XT everything else and it does go together OK, but the service life is not great despite using top-end KMC chains. High end Shimano just lasts longer.m@ wrote:I wonder what you guys are doing different to me (ie wrong) to experience these shifting issues?
ValleyForge wrote:I'm not drinking fine wine with Coon cheese. There is a huge difference between "compatible" and "plays well together".trailgumby wrote: SRAM cassettes (and chains) are made of cheese. Shimano componentry is like a fine wine. So I suppose they can go together.
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Re: Clutched derailleurs
Postby antigee » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:24 pm
as to breaking chains...don't recall seeing people sat around with broken chains as a regular sight until 10 and 11 speed came along now you see them
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