Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
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Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby eldavo » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:02 am
Our new colleague didn't mention this incident of his riding friend at the time, but earlier in the week he asked about my cycle commute route, I noted I avoided my direct option Reid Hwy shoulder route when he asked. I said I preferred the shared paths avoiding the 90kph zone passing speeds, un-swept shoulder debris, and the knowledge of motorcycle and emergency lane serious incidents and fatalities along with the constant reminder of regular traffic incidents of motor vehicles unable to avoid colliding with each other.
My response was the half hour longer shared path route was more relaxing without driveway path traffic a regular threat at some suburban connecting sections, compared to shared path hazards that I usually have more time/vision to accommodate.
I did say however the largest risk on the shared paths I encounter is the oncoming rider failing to keep left, usually in high speed or blind sections, with 2 x 25kph giving a >50kph impact speed potential.
I have saved this older couple of articles of a shared path rider who became a quadriplegic after a head on collision with a rider failing to keep left on the path.
https://1motorcyclist.wordpress.com/201 ... h-head-on/
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby cyclingnolycra » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:13 pm
It would only take one idiot cyclist going for some strava KOM and not staying left around some bend that could cause a very serious injury. I've had a few times where I've been scared despite everyone involved staying left (i.e. bike path was narrow, plus was at the bottom of a downhill section + a bend for both cyclists.)
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby eldavo » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:29 pm
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby queequeg » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:32 pm
I'm told the Roadie went to hospital in an ambulance. Cargo bike rider ok, but going way too fast on e-bike and crossed over to wrong side of the path due to poor steering an excessive speed
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby eldavo » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 pm
For the dominance in numbers I could regularly post roadies since that's the majority of vehicle on the commute, but like most things it's not exclusive to the group, and ebikes are a growth market so will eat into that on the commute.
Similar to above electric cargo bike, this one below was my personal luck of the draw on the fast downhill section that is a connection of too-regular shaves from people riding uphill passing blindly in the oncoming downhill lane.
The high-vis safety rider, like a ticking Volvo driver timebomb.
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby Thoglette » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:14 pm
Or really not being up to riding that e-bike, that quickly.
Rules are a bit moot on paths and we have far, far too many rules about pedestrian behaviour for "safety", rules that are mostly about victim blaming (after all, If they'd just stay off the roads...)
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby duncanm » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:44 pm
I had to give a fleeting word to an oncoming roadie this morning, overtaking peds on a blind corner. Shock, it was a woman; must have been the un-awesome 10 percenter.
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby NASHIE » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:02 pm
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Postby Mububban » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:40 am
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby antigee » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:08 pm
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby duncanm » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:50 pm
FIFYantigee wrote:strong evidence that, due to selfish idiots, shared path designs need to meet minimum width standards and blind spots / tight bends engineered out
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby Thoglette » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:30 pm
FIFYduncanm wrote:FIFYantigee wrote:strong evidence that, due to selfish idiots, shared path designs need to slow points/speed humps/traffic lights added
Ok, perhaps I am overtired and need to step away from the keyboard
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby g-boaf » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:29 pm
Bollards that are close enough to let through road bikes with narrower bars but blocks everything else would do!Thoglette wrote:FIFYduncanm wrote:FIFYantigee wrote:strong evidence that, due to selfish idiots, shared path designs need to slow points/speed humps/traffic lights added
Ok, perhaps I am overtired and need to step away from the keyboard
Posting in frustration at the number of riders today on a shared path cutting right across blind corners. Especially Mr Fold Up Bike on his TT attack effort.
Seriously, I'm on the far left of the path, as far as I can safely go, and these guys are doing that?
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby NASHIE » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm
Roadies just as bad as the rest.g-boaf wrote:
Bollards that are close enough to let through road bikes with narrower bars but blocks everything else would do!
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby g-boaf » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:16 pm
But none of them gave me problems today, it was all the others, and lots of them. If I'd been closer to the corner, Mr Fold Up Bike would have hit me head on, even despite me being as far to the left as I could go. I just shook my head afterwards, didn't say anything. Not worth it. Just wasn't expecting that many people doing that in a short space of time and distance.NASHIE wrote:Roadies just as bad as the rest.g-boaf wrote:
Bollards that are close enough to let through road bikes with narrower bars but blocks everything else would do!
What would stop it is raised dividers splitting the lanes on corners.
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Re: Keep left on paths: Head-on collision severity
Postby fat and old » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:15 am
Oh yeah, there's now a third type...the delivery cyclist. Usually from a country where cyclists ride pretty much all over the shop and motorists are more likely to be used to this behaviour. Usually from a country that seems to have a laxer regard for road rules than Australia. More importantly, usually from a country where few of us have any real long term experience of actual road use beyond an occasional taxi ride or bus trip yet feel informed enough to make judgements on the road behaviour of those people. Do these riders even want to be out there, on their bikes?
Unfortunately, a considerate person is a considerate person, an asshat is an asshat. Doesn't matter what they're doing, they are what they are.
This of course is my own personal anecdata.
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