Peugeot Appreciation Society

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby ldrcycles » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:09 am

The name Brett Richardson was missing there is Sprite. Of all of the Guthrie brands the only one I haven't owned (yet!) is a Sprite.
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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby batstonem » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:17 pm

Hi there,
I was hoping to use your expertise to identify this frame. I had a repco eurosport that I had done up as a commuter and after 30000km the frame snapped. I was looking for a steel replacement and picked up this Peugeot.
I am wondering about the exact model.
The frame and forks as pictured weigh 3.25kg which seems very light. Its been repainted badly so none of the original frame decals.
Frame is in good condition with just bad paint and very light surface rust. The decals on the bike seem to have been stuck on later.
The dropouts are simplex.
The headset bearing is a stronglight competition. The groupset was a shimano 600 but there are lots of mixed up groupset components.
BB shell is 68mm. Rear triangle spacing is 120mm.
Shimano thread compatible

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby piledhigher2 » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm

batstonem wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:17 pm
Hi there,
I was hoping to use your expertise to identify this frame. I had a repco eurosport that I had done up as a commuter and after 30000km the frame snapped. I was looking for a steel replacement and picked up this Peugeot.
I am wondering about the exact model.
The frame and forks as pictured weigh 3.25kg which seems very light. Its been repainted badly so none of the original frame decals.
Frame is in good condition with just bad paint and very light surface rust. The decals on the bike seem to have been stuck on later.
The dropouts are simplex.
The headset bearing is a stronglight competition. The groupset was a shimano 600 but there are lots of mixed up groupset components.
BB shell is 68mm. Rear triangle spacing is 120mm.
Shimano thread compatible

https://www.flickr.com/photos/199658049 ... ed-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/199658049 ... ed-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/199658049 ... ed-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/199658049 ... ed-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/199658049 ... ed-public/

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby batstonem » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:54 pm

Hmm will have to look up how to do that.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby elantra » Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:34 am

What a beautiful (and classic) frame.

I would suspect it to be a P-10 series
Not sure exactly which, there were various models all highly regarded, high-end bicycle frames.

The most widely known is I think the PX 10, which yours is probably not, because the PX 10 was supposed to be an outright racing bike, yours has mudguard eyelets on the rear dropout, which suggests that it might not be the most racing oriented model.

It’s definitely a great find, but bear in mind that it is probably a frame from around the mid to late 1970’s, which has certain implications.

First is age - it’s obviously significantly older than your Repco Eurosport was. Will it stand up to regular or heavy use ?

The frame spacing at the rear is “only” 120 mm.
That’s the 1970’s standard.
Nothing wrong with that but it will be harder to find a rear wheel that fits.

But overall a real gem.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby batstonem » Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:20 pm

Thanks very much for your thoughts.
I agree, not sure its going to be the best choice for a commuter.
It did come with some wheels so I should be able to get it going. Wondering how much time to put into a restoration I guess!
I did see a lot of the PX10 pictures on the net seem to have the mudguard eyelets on the rear drop outs so I wonder if there is any other way to pin down the exact model.

Cheers

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby uart » Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:59 am

batstonem wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:20 pm
I agree, not sure its going to be the best choice for a commuter.
It did come with some wheels so I should be able to get it going. Wondering how much time to put into a restoration I guess!
I did see a lot of the PX10 pictures on the net seem to have the mudguard eyelets on the rear drop outs so I wonder if there is any other way to pin down the exact model.
I think it could make a great commuter. Those old Peugeots were pretty well built, I doubt you'll break it.

BTW. Where did the Repco break? You might have just been unlucky there, like with old bikes you often don't know how much they've been abused in a previous life.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby batstonem » Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:06 pm

The repco snapped on the downtube just above the shifter lugs. A 360 degree crack.
I sanded it back and silver brazed it. Lasted about 300kms then snapped at the same spot so I gave up on it!

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby rkelsen » Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:23 pm

Yeah nice pick up. Maybe not a PX-10, but could be a PY-10... which is the next one 'down', and just as sought after. Alchemy in Ferntree Gully currently have one in stock, and they're asking $3k for it.

Rear spacing of 120mm is the same as single speed/track wheels. You should easily be able to find a wheel to fit that.

And I agree with the guy above. It'd be an awesome commuter.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby elantra » Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:38 pm

rkelsen wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:23 pm
Yeah nice pick up. Maybe not a PX-10, but could be a PY-10... which is the next one 'down', and just as sought after. Alchemy in Ferntree Gully currently have one in stock, and they're asking $3k for it.

Rear spacing of 120mm is the same as single speed/track wheels. You should easily be able to find a wheel to fit that.

And I agree with the guy above. It'd be an awesome commuter.
Earlier this year I acquired a French-built Motobecane frame, circa 1978, quite lightweight so probably a “light tourer”
120 mm hub width wheel space, consistent with that era.

It came without wheels.

As luck would have it I had a “modern” single speed bike in the shed (from a garage sale) and yes, the single-speed rear wheel fits in the old Motobecane frame perfectly.
Even better the single-speed wheel was in great condition and has a thread on both sides of the hub.
A 1970’s era 5 speed freewheel screwed onto this hub and there was still (just) sufficient clearance for it to fit into the Motobecane frame.

I can’t get the smallest cog (because it’s real close to the dropout) but 4 out of 5 ain’t bad !
Just saying because the original wheels for the Peugeot might have done a bit of work.

PX 10 or PY 10, it’s a classic bike worthy of getting some renovation

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby uart » Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:33 pm

batstonem wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:06 pm
The repco snapped on the downtube just above the shifter lugs. A 360 degree crack.
I sanded it back and silver brazed it. Lasted about 300kms then snapped at the same spot so I gave up on it!
That's a real common stress point for a bike that's been in a front end collision. It had probably had a decent prang and maybe even cold straightened before you got hold of it.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby batstonem » Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:39 am

Yes maybe the repco had been crashed prior to me getting it. Hard to know of course! It had done a lot of kms.

Shame about the rear spacing on the Peugeot. I live on top of a hill and my work commute is a 45km round trip so i'm a bit reluctant to run it as a single speed or limited gears. It would also seem a shame/dangerous to open the rear triangle up to 130mm to accommodate a 10speed wheel.

I did that with the repco eurosport but it started at 125mm so that wasn't a big move.

Might be better for me to move the peugeot on to someone who will do it justice!

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby uart » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:29 am

batstonem wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:39 am
t would also seem a shame/dangerous to open the rear triangle up to 130mm to accommodate a 10speed wheel. I did that with the repco eurosport but it started at 125mm so that wasn't a big move.
You could just open it up to 125 and run a 7 speed. TBH I'm a bit blase about opening up the spacing on my old steel frames. I've never had any problems doing it.

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Re: Peugeot Appreciation Society

Postby rkelsen » Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:28 pm

uart wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:29 am
You could just open it up to 125 and run a 7 speed. TBH I'm a bit blase about opening up the spacing on my old steel frames. I've never had any problems doing it.
Yeah if you know what you're doing, it's not a big deal... But if you've never done it before, you can easily crease or crimp the stays from over-bending. Dave Moulton has some good advice on how to fix it, here: http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/bl ... stays.html, but you might still end up with visible crimps or creases, particularly going from 120mm to 130mm.

I probably wouldn't do it to this frame either.

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