Koomot v Ride With GPS

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Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:17 pm

For a long time, I have been a Ride With GPS user for planning out touring routes, which I then exported to my Garmin Edge 1030 for use on the bike. I do not tend to use the RWGPS phone app. I tended to pay for a month's premium membership as needed.

I have just started exploring Koomot but have yet to purchase a year's premium membership, which is currently discounted to USD $ 29.99 for the first year.

I am yet to decide whether to stick with RWGPS or move to Koomot. The collections feature in Koomot is particularly appealing.

I would value your thoughts if you have experience with Koomot or both.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby RonK » Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:25 am

As a long time RWGPS user I have considered Koomoot but it doesn't really appeal. Nor does Gaia.
RWGPS also has a collections feature and I have used it for several longer multi-stage trips.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:21 pm

I am also a long-time RWGPS user, having spent some time playing with Komoot. I am inclined to stick with RWGPS and export my hikes to Komoot for synchronisation with my watch, but otherwise, I will use RWGPS.

The one thing I particularly like about Komoot is the presentation of tour profile it provides. I think you can see the details provided at https://www.komoot.com/tour/1396062807.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby RonK » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:28 am

If you are referring to the elevation profile summary then RWGPS has all this and also shows where the route is paved and unpaved - very useful to me as I seek out gravel routes.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:16 pm

It was more about the presentation of the other information. Not so nice in RWGPS.

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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby recumbenteer » Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:31 pm

I have used both for cycling and subscribed to both for IndiPac 2023.

I found komoot better for finding a route A to B, particularly for when I was looking for "off busy road" paths... the waytypes and surfaces are good for helping find "velomobile" accessible/friendly routes...I found it easy to export routes.

RWGPS was "ok" if I wanted to "plan out a route" ... but was also ok for exported routes.
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I tended to use komoot more, especially when navigating the capital cities or looking for safe routes to tourist spots.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:13 pm

recumbenteer wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:31 pm
I found komoot better for finding a route A to B, particularly for when I was looking for "off busy road" paths... the waytypes and surfaces are good for helping find "velomobile" accessible/friendly routes...I found it easy to export routes.

That sounds about right, given its nuanced choice of ride types.
RWGPS was "ok" if I wanted to "plan out a route" ... but was also ok for exported routes.

I do like the ability to edit routes in RWGPS over Komoot.

I think I will stick to RWGPS for most of my touring and probably use Komoot for hiking, as it has an app for my watch which is easily synchronised to.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:36 pm

As an aside, Backpacking.com did a bit of a survey on in-phone apps for navigation. The results are in:
In last week’s results—largely aimed at gaining insight into what apps you’re using—we asked a simple, open-ended question: What app do you use for in-phone navigation during your bikepacking trips? We received nearly 1,000 answers and many write-in suggestions that helped craft the survey above. Thanks! Here are the top five results:

Ride With GPS
Komoot
Gaia GPS
Google Maps
Mapout
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:20 pm

Just coming back to this. While I have decided to commit to RidewithGPS, I am out of interest, and as a backup application on my phone, exporting the GPX Track (with POI) to Komoot.



The routes export okay in terms of routing; however, the curious aspect is the ascent (and descent), varies quite a bit between the applications.



For example:



Day 2 - 74 km - 623 metres of ascent (Ride With GPS) v 70.9 km - 460 metres of ascent (Komoot)



Day 9 - 65.4 km - 323 metres of ascent (Ride with GPS) v 64 km - 140 metres of ascent (Komoot)



Day 16 - 126.5 km - 1,070 metres of ascent (Ride with GPS) v 125 km - 820 metres of ascent (Komoot)



I also did a check with Garmin Connect, and the numbers there mirror RideWithGPS.



I have not done a ride yet to test the apps vs. my Garmin on the bike, but I am interested in why this might be happening from a planning perspective.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby LateStarter » Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:48 pm

A lot of time can be wasted chasing differences between sites, in the end it is best to just stick with one that you are happy best approximates what you see on the road, maybe guided by a bike computer (Garmin or other) although they might just introduce their own differences. All sites will apply different "smoothing" algorithms to elevations also reflected in their average distance between track points, a clue is the number of track points in the TCX or GPX export file. I have routes (say river rd along the Hawkesbury ) with lots of small ups and downs in RWGPS which completely disappear in GC resulting in much lower elevation gain/loss. The result can vary a lot depending on whether the route has lots of small ascents or a few big ones. Some of your daily differences seem very extreme? Everything seems too hilly for me these days, wonder that that means?
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby Aushiker » Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:46 pm

Thanks for your comments @LateStater, but I encourage you to go back and read what I said and why I was interested in finding out.

For what it is worth, I have received a very informative response at another forum that addressed my question. You can read it here.
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Re: Koomot v Ride With GPS

Postby g-boaf » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:50 pm

Aushiker wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:20 pm
Just coming back to this. While I have decided to commit to RidewithGPS, I am out of interest, and as a backup application on my phone, exporting the GPX Track (with POI) to Komoot.



The routes export okay in terms of routing; however, the curious aspect is the ascent (and descent), varies quite a bit between the applications.

I have not done a ride yet to test the apps vs. my Garmin on the bike, but I am interested in why this might be happening from a planning perspective.
I used RWGPS last year in France with routes exported to my Garmin from the app, it worked but it wasn't what I'd consider all that easy. I knew the elevation already so that wasn't a problem, mainly concerned at the bits at the end finding my way from event villages to accommodation.

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