the Crazy eDevice rider thread

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Andy01 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:39 pm

CmdrBiggles wrote:
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elantra wrote:
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Well today I had to venture into Brisbane CBD (by bus) for a meeting.
Can you imagine what a circus it’s going to be in Bris in 8 years time for the 2032 Olympics ?

Unless the State Gov does something useful to remedy footpath anarchy - before it gets worse !

Do you really think that this is a problem unique to, and/or only affecting BrisVegas??
I think one reason Melbourne pulled the pin on the Olympics was not just the cost, but fears that people would be skittled too easily, too frequently walking around on the footpaths looking at the scenery. Never mind long-gone Chairman Dan and his perceived real reasons (which are now classified as State Secrets!). After all, I never walk on the footpaths if I can avoid them, I'm on the road one way or another. Footpaths are too narrow and congested; you're either crashing into people with eyes glued to phones, dodging mad hire scooters, keeping hands in pockets to prevent thieves on skateboards making free with your dosh or cyclists riding at a speed they just.should.not.be. travelling at.
I don't think anyone suggested that this problem was unique to Brisbane.

I think that Brisbane is possibly some ways further down the path than some other cities since we have had hire bikes & scooters here for some years now. I am aware (through this forum & newsfeeds) of a few nasty incidents in Melbourne during the trail - one where a lady in her seventies was physically thrown a few metres when she stepped out of her daughter's shop and an e-scooter hit her (maybe last year or the year before - time flies).

It would be a brave pedestrian to walk around Brisbane CBD and stay on the roads instead of footpaths :shock: I suspect life would be short.

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby jasonc » Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:53 pm

Urgh. Just read that lime escooters are coming back to Brisbane. More crap littered all over the place. Great

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Mr Purple » Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:56 pm

redsonic wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:33 pm
Homicide by escooter:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-09/ ... /103684610
Probably not an e-scooter if used as a weapon in that way - Razor make plenty of lightweight unpowered kid's scooters as well.

Still not sure how the guy with the axe lost.

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby WyvernRH » Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:56 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:56 pm
Probably not an e-scooter if used as a weapon in that way - Razor make plenty of lightweight unpowered kid's scooters as well.
Still not sure how the guy with the axe lost.
Local goss says ordinary kiddie scooter.
I'd say the axe guy was under the influence of 'something' and when he'd missed once the other bloke just pounded him with the scooter til he stopped moving. Can be a bit of a dodgy area round that way....

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby piledhigher2 » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:02 am

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby jasonc » Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:40 am

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another one doing 25-ish
got overtaken by this guy again this morning

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby g-boaf » Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:42 am

A family on e-scooters were flying past me on the M7 cycleway (south-west Sydney) yesterday. I was doing 25km/h uphill on Elizabeth Drive section (about 4% gradient) and the three of them must have been doing 40km/h.

They came on the path around Elizabeth Hills. Each scooter had two people on it. :roll:

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Retrobyte » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:01 am

Same bloke two days in a row on his ebike disguised as a motor cycle ...




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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby find_bruce » Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:51 am

An interesting article in the ABC Electric unicyclist's death prompts mother's call for tougher e-vehicle laws
I am sorry that a child is left without a parent and his mother's grief is entirely understandable.
James Barella was riding his e-unicycle along a trail in Melbourne's north when he swerved to avoid cyclists and was catapulted off.
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He was an experienced e-unicycle rider and had made additions to his vehicle so it could go much faster than the standard 30 kilometres per hour.
"James had tampered with it, and it was tested at going from zero to 126 kilometres an hour in four seconds," his mother Rita Barella told Raf Epstein on ABC Radio Melbourne.
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Ms Barella said her son's e-unicycle was his primary mode of transport and he regularly rode it well above 30kph.
I don't know where the "standard" 30kmh comes from - as I understand it the speed limit for e-devices in Victoria is 20 kmh, but anyhow, "tougher laws" are not going to stop people like the deceased from riding an unsafe and illegally modified electric motorbike that meets no known safety standards.

The consequences of his stupid & dangerous actions were clearly lost on the deceased. Research as to what deters people from breaking the law has well established that the risk of getting caught is a far more effective deterrent than "tougher laws".
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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Mr Purple » Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:13 pm

find_bruce wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:51 am
An interesting article in the ABC Electric unicyclist's death prompts mother's call for tougher e-vehicle laws
I am sorry that a child is left without a parent and his mother's grief is entirely understandable.
James Barella was riding his e-unicycle along a trail in Melbourne's north when he swerved to avoid cyclists and was catapulted off.
...
He was an experienced e-unicycle rider and had made additions to his vehicle so it could go much faster than the standard 30 kilometres per hour.
"James had tampered with it, and it was tested at going from zero to 126 kilometres an hour in four seconds," his mother Rita Barella told Raf Epstein on ABC Radio Melbourne.
...
Ms Barella said her son's e-unicycle was his primary mode of transport and he regularly rode it well above 30kph.
I don't know where the "standard" 30kmh comes from - as I understand it the speed limit for e-devices in Victoria is 20 kmh, but anyhow, "tougher laws" are not going to stop people like the deceased from riding an unsafe and illegally modified electric motorbike that meets no known safety standards.

The consequences of his stupid & dangerous actions were clearly lost on the deceased. Research as to what deters people from breaking the law has well established that the risk of getting caught is a far more effective deterrent than "tougher laws".
The answer is to actually enforce the laws that are in place. As I was driving to work yesterday I saw a teenager without a helmet on a electric mountainbike passing cars on a two lane road where the limit is 80km/hr. In broad daylight. Flagrantly illegal in many ways, but I can guarantee he's been doing it for months without a problem simply because it's too hard for anyone to catch him to enforce it.

Things like electric unicycles I see above are almost always being ridden far in excess of 30km/hr. Just last week one came at me the other way on the V1 veloway doing 80km/hr+. I disagree with the statement in the article that they shouldn't be banned completely - I think so few of the stupid things are ridden responsibly that banning them completely is the only option. It makes enforcement easier - either you're in the 1% riding these devices legally or we just assume that you're in the other 99%.

Likewise oversized scooters - almost always being ridden illegally. And personally I think any e-bike that has roughly the same dimensions and looks like a motorbike is essentially a motorbike. Outright ban is the only solution.

The problem is you allow shades of grey with these things - 'hey you need to be limited to 250W', 'hey you need to ride 25km/hr or less' and you make it harder to see what's legal. Because at the moment (in Queensland at least) there's a very small minority riding legal devices (mainly e-bikes) and everyone else gets away with riding illegal devices simply because the things that make them illegal also make them almost impossible to catch. We need to stop pretending that people who buy these things have any intention of using them legally and simply ban them outright.

Otherwise more people are going to die. Mind you if you have an e-unicycle capable of 126km/hr and it kills you, I'm not sure why anyone should be surprised. That's just dumb.

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby WyvernRH » Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:01 pm

Um, this is scuttlebutt at the moment OK?
It apparently happened to the 15 yo friend of the son of one of my friends in Newy. He was stopped by the cops coming off a cycle path when riding one of these 'maybe' legal fat tyred e-bikes with his girlfriend on the back.
I'm assuming he got a bit sassy cos I'm told he was hit with;

- riding an unregistered motorbike,
- riding a motorbike without a license,
- riding a motorbike on a cyclepath,
- carrying a passenger on a motorbike not constructed to do so,
- not wearing a suitable motorbike helmet and carrying a passenger not wearing a suitable helmet.

Sub the official blurb where necessary :) and possibly can add riding in a dangerous manner to that list, I don't recall exactly.

So, seems he (or his parents) are up for a couple of thousand dollars in fines and maybe he gets 3-6 points on his license upfront when he finally gets one!

Like I said, totally word of mouth at the moment but if true, a few more pings like that might curtail the use of these illegal e-bikes a bit.

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Andy01 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:42 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:13 pm

Otherwise more people are going to die. Mind you if you have an e-unicycle capable of 126km/hr and it kills you, I'm not sure why anyone should be surprised. That's just dumb.
Minor correction - a top speed of 126km/h would be bad enough, but this was 126km/h in 4 seconds (ie. acceleration), which is just insane for a unicycle (or almost anything allowed on public ROADS, never mind shared paths). That is close to superbike fast.

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby Andy01 » Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:50 pm

WyvernRH wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:01 pm
Um, this is scuttlebutt at the moment OK?
It apparently happened to the 15 yo friend of the son of one of my friends in Newy. He was stopped by the cops coming off a cycle path when riding one of these 'maybe' legal fat tyred e-bikes with his girlfriend on the back.
I'm assuming he got a bit sassy cos I'm told he was hit with;

- riding an unregistered motorbike,
- riding a motorbike without a license,
- riding a motorbike on a cyclepath,
- carrying a passenger on a motorbike not constructed to do so,
- not wearing a suitable motorbike helmet and carrying a passenger not wearing a suitable helmet.

Sub the official blurb where necessary :) and possibly can add riding in a dangerous manner to that list, I don't recall exactly.

So, seems he (or his parents) are up for a couple of thousand dollars in fines and maybe he gets 3-6 points on his license upfront when he finally gets one!

Like I said, totally word of mouth at the moment but if true, a few more pings like that might curtail the use of these illegal e-bikes a bit.

Richard
Would be nice if this was the case.

The problem with fines is that many/most of the repeat-offending drongos who get them just don't pay them - 6 months ago, the SPER debt (unpaid fines) in Qld was $1.27 BILLION, and many/most of the drongos who get licence suspensions just keep riding/driving anyway.

The few times that I watch TV shows like Highway patrol or RBT usually leaves me shaking my in dismay - because half the offenders are serial offenders who already have no licence etc etc.

To me the real solution is to confiscate and destroy whatever vehicle or device the offender is using. Do that often enough and things might slow down a tad. It might create an increase in "vehicle" theft though :roll:

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby jasonc » Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:54 pm

what could go wrong?

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby blizzard » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:42 pm

The other day I came upon a private scooter rider on the V1 wearing a motorcycle helmet and jacket. I fully expected them to accelerate off into the distance but they actually sat at 25km/h for the next k or so I followed for. I couldn't believe it :shock:

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Re: the Crazy eDevice rider thread

Postby uart » Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:13 pm

jasonc wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:54 pm
what could go wrong?
I clicked a thumbs up to this comment by thewalrus (in reply to something like "don't other path users get the shits with you"). Summed up my sentiments pretty well.
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he doesn't care .. its all about him and his fun... others don't come into his consideration

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