Tubeless roadbike tyres

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby kilroy » Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:18 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:30 pm
I have some of that tape.
Seems to be largely advocated by "tobinhatesyou".
Pretty thin and not as stiff as tape that is designed for the purpose it seemed to me.
Not impressed on my wheels and ordered some from the wheel manufacturer.
Possibly my fumble fingered application had something to do with it, but the purpose designed stuff went on ok.

These are handy for tubeless tyre use. Inevitably the valve core seems to clog over time.
Whip it out and replace it solves that.

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I just received some valve cores as suggested in this thread, but it seems my front tyre has finally got the message and is holding 80psi. I have only had one ride all year though due to some sutures in my quad. Hoping to get out tomorrow and see how the tubeless tyres hold up.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:00 pm

So after a year or so of avoiding the GP5000TR I just realised the one I was forced to buy (irretrievable puncture on the road, only tyre in stock in the bike shop) has 998km on it and barely looks worn.

Given I've been getting 800km or so out of my Vittoria Corsa NEXT TLR ($75) it's time to do the sums and consider whether it's worth spending the extra on the $109 GP5000TRs. And it probably is - that would have been at 960km or so.

It'll be interesting to see how much longer this one lasts. And I've been even more particularly brutal on it than normal - it's seen a fair few 700W+ vertical KOMs.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:00 pm

Just checked those GP5000s closely. 1100km and the wear markers are all still intact.

I've literally never seen them last more than a few hundred kilometres. Definitely seems worth the extra investment no matter how much it hurts paying $109 for tyres!

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby blizzard » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:06 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:00 pm
Just checked those GP5000s closely. 1100km and the wear markers are all still intact.

I've literally never seen them last more than a few hundred kilometres. Definitely seems worth the extra investment no matter how much it hurts paying $109 for tyres!
I have over 9000km on my GP5000TL, rear tyre is squared off but the wear markers are intact. I don't put out anywhere the watts you do, and do a lot of flat bike path KMs.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:25 pm

blizzard wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:06 pm
Mr Purple wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:00 pm
Just checked those GP5000s closely. 1100km and the wear markers are all still intact.

I've literally never seen them last more than a few hundred kilometres. Definitely seems worth the extra investment no matter how much it hurts paying $109 for tyres!
I have over 9000km on my GP5000TL, rear tyre is squared off but the wear markers are intact. I don't put out anywhere the watts you do, and do a lot of flat bike path KMs.
It'll be interesting to see how long they last. Given I've never tried anything other than the Vittoria NEXT TLR tubeless on the road I suspect they weren't the right choice for longevity. Running 60PSI I'm not getting anything like the 'skipping' sensation I'd get on tubed at 80PSI which should be a lot better for the tyres.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Arbuckle23 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:57 pm

I am not a heavy tyre consumer, normally get around up to 6000 km out of my tyres.
The Vittoria NEXT TLR rode very comfy in 28 mm. The payback for that was the very soft sidewalls attracted a few punctures.
Each did seal up though so no problem there.
But the tread material started to breakup around 4000 km, causing me to change out.

Running some 28 mm Pirelli Cinturato Velo's now, will see how they go.
They do blow up to a big diameter on the Giant SLR wheels though. Not much seat tube clearance on my TCR!
Ride is firmer as well.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:15 pm

Arbuckle23 wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:57 pm
I am not a heavy tyre consumer, normally get around up to 6000 km out of my tyres.
The Vittoria NEXT TLR rode very comfy in 28 mm. The payback for that was the very soft sidewalls attracted a few punctures. Ride is firmer as well.
I have very tight clearances on an older disc frame but can allegedly run 28mm. I tried in once with a NEXT TLR and made it all of 20km before blowing out a sidewall - I suspect a rock was caught between the frame and tyre. Annoyingly the only puncture I've had in 4000km on NEXT TLR was in the same spot the day before on a 25mm tyre so no idea what happened there.

That's the problem with tyres. They may be excellent but if you hit the wrong rock too early in their lifespan you'll never buy them again.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:13 pm

Finally swapped out that rear 5000TR - 1515km which is a new record for me.

It didn't particularly need it, either. What I thought was a patch of tread missing was just a stone mark. Wear markers were completely gone though, and the sealant on the front needed to be changed anyway so I thought I'd put a new pair with the Tour de Brisbane in a few weeks.

Put new 5000TRs on there - $109 each. They were so much easier to fit than the Vittoria Corsa TLR NEXT as well, instantly on and instantly beaded. Given I got an extra 600km compared to the Vittoria it's pretty much a no brainer. So Continental are expensive but you seem to get what you pay for.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby twizzle » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:30 am

The front went yesterday in the wet, about 5,500 K's, first set up back in early September with Silca Ultimate and replenished a couple of times after. The carbon strands were in two lumps, no obvious reason as to why it had clumped together. When the rear tufo did that, it was attached to a label on the inside.

I ended up putting a latex tube in on the side of the road and have set the front up tubed for now, until I have a better idea of how to make it last. This might end up being just for long events. Then again, a mate somewhat binned his time trial bike on the weekend when the front butyl punctured and deflated during a corner. And I've had a similar incident but kept the bike upright. Sealant is nice... when it works.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby kilroy » Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:02 pm

twizzle wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:30 am
Sealant is nice... when it works.
I’m officially a convert. I’m almost at the 3 month mark and need to top up the sealant soon. I’ve done around 1k km on some 32mm Gravelkings and despite some people saying they are puncture magnets, I haven’t had one yet touch wood.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:31 am

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby warthog1 » Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:11 am

foo on patrol wrote:
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How the Pro mechanics do it. :mrgreen:

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:53 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:11 am
foo on patrol wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:31 am
How the Pro mechanics do it. :mrgreen:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5S4KnDN ... _copy_link

Foo
Give us a precis? Not signed up for instagram so see nothing.

I could see posts from Insta when I wasn't on it, just the same as that other platform that muskstick owns and I'm not singed up to it. :?

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby warthog1 » Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:45 pm

foo on patrol wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:53 pm
warthog1 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:11 am
foo on patrol wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:31 am
How the Pro mechanics do it. :mrgreen:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5S4KnDN ... _copy_link

Foo
Give us a precis? Not signed up for instagram so see nothing.
I could see posts from Insta when I wasn't on it, just the same as that other platform that muskstick owns and I'm not singed up to it. :?

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I get some text about "our team mechanic preparing 32mm gp5k" but that's it.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:09 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:45 pm
foo on patrol wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:53 pm
warthog1 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:11 am


Give us a precis? Not signed up for instagram so see nothing.
I could see posts from Insta when I wasn't on it, just the same as that other platform that muskstick owns and I'm not singed up to it. :?

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I get some text about "our team mechanic preparing 32mm gp5k" but that's it.

:shock: There's a vid that follows, maybe someone smarter than me can solve the problem? :oops:

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:07 am

I'm not aligned with this shop in anyway but have a look at Redcliffe Cycles for tyres also, although I don't see any GP5000's in the infintry but some of the prices for the Goodyear and other tyres looks good. :idea: Stuff that I got from 99 last weekend, I could have saved $40 on if I had of seen the shop adds. :evil:

I did know the family really well in my younger years and Marks father started the business over 40yrs ago.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby warthog1 » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:34 am

No Dunlop tyres at all on here; https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews

Have a 30mm Schwalbe pro one addix on my rear WR50 hookless at the moment.
Going well.
A bit stupid but w t h, on seating on the hookless rim, I pumped it to 120psi and let it sit for a while. No probs :shock:
Should be fine at the 60psi I run it at.
Measured up well. 32 mm wide on the 32 mm ext width rim (25 int) :)
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:52 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:34 am
No Dunlop tyres at all on here; https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ke-reviews

Have a 30mm Schwalbe pro one addix on my rear WR50 hookless at the moment.
Going well.
A bit stupid but w t h, on seating on the hookless rim, I pumped it to 120psi and let it sit for a while. No probs :shock:
Should be fine at the 60psi I run it at.
Measured up well. 32 mm wide on the 32 mm ext width rim (25 int) :)

Oops, Goodyear. :oops: :lol:

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby kilroy » Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:15 am

Mr Purple wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:13 pm
Finally swapped out that rear 5000TR - 1515km which is a new record for me.
I’d be pretty disappointed if I only got 1500km out of a set of tyres. I haven’t tried the tubeless version of the 5000’s but I’ve generally get at least 2500-5000km out of my tyres. I run on sealed roads with maybe a little bit of dirt here and there. I’m guessing my training is a little lighter than yours lol. I have 1800km on a set of 32mm Panaracer Gravelkings and they look barely worn.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:11 am

I am a killer of tyres. Worst I have seen is 750km odd - and I'm not talking punctured, that's 'worn down to canvas'.

Just lots of climbing and what we'll euphemistically call 'intervals' which really is taking sub 60 seconds climbing KOMs.

Doesn't apply to my gravel tyres at all - I have 3000km+ on my current set with no major wear. I assume because traction is the limiting factor when climbing on gravel.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby warthog1 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:15 am

It has to be the standing climbing whilst going for koms for Mr P. I am heavier with similar power. Last heaps longer for me. Nobody I know chews tyres out like that and there are national level riders here.
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby Mr Purple » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:49 am

warthog1 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:15 am
It has to be the standing climbing whilst going for koms for Mr P. I am heavier with similar power. Last heaps longer for me. Nobody I know chews tyres out like that and there are national level riders here.
100%. I've run out of climbs nearby within my range which may also explain why they're now lasting longer.

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby warthog1 » Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:55 am

Mr Purple wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:49 am


100%. I've run out of climbs nearby within my range which may also explain why they're now lasting longer.
:) :lol: 8)
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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby foo on patrol » Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:20 am

Mr Purple wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:49 am
warthog1 wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:15 am
It has to be the standing climbing whilst going for koms for Mr P. I am heavier with similar power. Last heaps longer for me. Nobody I know chews tyres out like that and there are national level riders here.
100%. I've run out of climbs nearby within my range which may also explain why they're now lasting longer.


I still think it's weight distribution. :idea:

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Re: Tubeless roadbike tyres

Postby twizzle » Wed May 08, 2024 8:38 pm

Rear tyre with Silca ultimate again, puddle on the side of the road as all the carbon strands had balled up. Luckily it sealed when the tyre lost most of the pressure and I was able to add some air and limp home. Probably fantastic for race day use, but simply not surviving as a daily. Weight weenies has many similar stories, but the problem is complex and the composition of the tyres and mold release coating etc. is making it impossible to say "this combo works" or "don't do this". Kills some rim tapes as well. Back to tubes for a while.
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