Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

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Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:57 pm

I am in the market for a new rain jacket for bikepacking (packs small)/touring duties (and day-to-day riding), but it needs to tick the touring box first and foremost.

7MESH's SkyPilot would be very nice, but at US$450 + postage, it is likely to stay on the wish list.

Ground Effect's Rivet looks interesting at AU$305. Apparently, it packs down small and has good specifications. There is no hood, which is a nice feature to have in my experience.

The alternative from Ground Effect is the Storm Trooper, which has the same specifications as the Rivet but is heavier at 340 grams versus 260 grams. It does have an under-helmet hood, but I haven't found any details on how small it packs down.

Are there any other suitable options, particularly with bikepacking in mind?
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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby am50em » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:06 pm

https://provizsports.com/en-au/products ... ing-jacket
On special but at 400g maybe too heavy for your purposes.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:17 pm

am50em wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:06 pm
https://provizsports.com/en-au/products ... ing-jacket
On special but at 400g maybe too heavy for your purposes.
Thanks for the suggestion, but with a 10,000mm waterproof rating and a breathability rating of 10,000 gm/24hr I am not sure it would cope well over any decent period of rain, keeping in mind I can be out for eight hours or more.

For comparison, the Ground Effect ratings are 23,000 mm hydrostatic head with a water-repellent finish for waterproofness and 33,000 gm per sqm per 24hr for breathability.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Leaf T » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:34 pm

Where are the pockets,vents and pit zips? Considered unfashionable these days perhaps?

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby robbo mcs » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:38 pm

I have some 7mesh stuff, and it is extremely good quality gear, but as you say expensive. For reference I have the rebellion jacket, which is more a road orientated jacket. I also have a Gore shake dry jacket, and I reckon the lightweight 7mesh goretex jacket is just as breathable

I have had various other jackets I have used for touring. The marmot essence is extremely good. Super lightweight and packable, reliably waterproof but excellent breathabity, useable hood. Good for both on the bike and off the bike. It is not cycling specific, but has worked well for me touring.

This site in Oz seems to have them on sale at a pretty reasonable price, although limited sizes and colours

https://www.sevenhorizons.com.au/produc ... 4579232580

Disclaimer : I know nothing about that site, never used them, just googled the jacket and it came up :wink:

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:51 pm

Leaf T wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:34 pm
Where are the pockets,vents and pit zips? Considered unfashionable these days, perhaps?

They are often available but generally in heavier and bulky jackets. Ground Effect does something along those lines: The Anti-Cyclone.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:53 pm

Thanks, Robbo. My credit card is trembling at the thought of 7Mesh :)

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby robbo mcs » Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:18 pm

Aushiker wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:53 pm
Thanks, Robbo. My credit card is trembling at the thought of 7Mesh :)
I was lucky. I bought my 7mesh in Squamish Canada, which is where they are based, pretty early on, so got it for a relatively good price. The current prices are eye watering :shock:

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Postby LateStarter » Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:03 pm

I have had my Ground Effect Storm Trooper for 11 years now, I mostly do Audax so mostly just press on if it rains, have done a few rides with heavy rain for 12 hours. I can't say I was bone dry after but the dampness inside was far less than outside the jacket and I reckon mostly was self generated (was older type Storm trooper with zippers under the arm pits, not as breathable as current model spec), also stops wind very well. Doesn't pack down to hanky size but folds into its own back pocket which gets turned insideout exposing a belt so the whole thing turns into a smallish bumbag. Mine still looks bright (orange) , no wear, holes etc, almost new looking, my spouse uses it for her bush walks so it gets a fair amount of use. I would not hesitate getting a new version if it was required, very recommended.
PS The hood is great, maybe the best feature, perfectly effective for riding in heavy rain without obscuring vision etc
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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby brumby33 » Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:53 am

Aushiker, have you considered one of those rain cape Poncho type jackets, great for the warmer weather and you don't sweat hardly at all. I have an AGU one i bought from Omafiets a long while ago and they work amazingly well and the only part really that gets wet is the lower part of your legs but all the while it's ventilated from the bottom.

https://www.omafiets.com.au/rover-rain-cape.html

The guys and girls there tour a fair bit and reckon they are great for bike touring.

Worth consideration.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:33 pm

robbo mcs wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:18 pm
Aushiker wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:53 pm
Thanks, Robbo. My credit card is trembling at the thought of 7Mesh :)
I was lucky. I bought my 7mesh in Squamish Canada, which is where they are based, pretty early on, so got it for a relatively good price. The current prices are eye watering :shock:
Nice win, but yes eye watering is an adapt description.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:34 pm

LateStarter wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:03 pm
I have had my Ground Effect Storm Trooper for 11 years now, I mostly do Audax so mostly just press on if it rains, have done a few rides with heavy rain for 12 hours. I can't say I was bone dry after but the dampness inside was far less than outside the jacket and I reckon mostly was self generated (was older type Storm trooper with zippers under the arm pits, not as breathable as current model spec), also stops wind very well. Doesn't pack down to hanky size but folds into its own back pocket which gets turned insideout exposing a belt so the whole thing turns into a smallish bumbag. Mine still looks bright (orange) , no wear, holes etc, almost new looking, my spouse uses it for her bush walks so it gets a fair amount of use. I would not hesitate getting a new version if it was required, very recommended.
PS The hood is great, maybe the best feature, perfectly effective for riding in heavy rain without obscuring vision etc
Thank you for your feedback on your Storm Trooper. Very helpful.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:35 pm

brumby33 wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:53 am
Aushiker, have you considered one of those rain cape Poncho type jackets, great for the warmer weather and you don't sweat hardly at all. I have an AGU one i bought from Omafiets a long while ago and they work amazingly well and the only part really that gets wet is the lower part of your legs but all the while it's ventilated from the bottom.

https://www.omafiets.com.au/rover-rain-cape.html

The guys and girls there tour a fair bit and reckon they are great for bike touring.

Worth consideration.

Cheers

brumby33

Thanks, Brumby for the suggestion. Will take a look.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby zebee » Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:43 pm

I use a rain poncho on my Brompton. Feet can get wet and there is a certain amount of storm sail effect - if you are riding into the wind you will feel it!

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby brumby33 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:28 am

zebee wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:43 pm
I use a rain poncho on my Brompton. Feet can get wet and there is a certain amount of storm sail effect - if you are riding into the wind you will feel it!
Zebee, that would happen also even if wearing rain pants but the ponchos are really designed for rainy days, not storms.
A pair of overboots may prevent the wet feet, even seen some wearing short wellies.
But i find in most cases, the poncho will keep me 80% dry and that includes not sweating due to ventilation.
The poncho would be adequate in all but torrential downpours and would probably would still work.
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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:40 am

Interesting watching https://youtu.be/om8HtyMnVvI; I see that Sarah is wearing a Rab jacket. I could not work out what Josh was wearing.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Mike Ayling » Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:34 pm

I am happy with my ShowersPass but they are not cheap!
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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby Aushiker » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:23 am

An update. I was holding off on a purchase, given it has been so dry here, so I didn't need a new jacket, but it is getting closer to winter, and I saw that 7MESH had the Copilot on sale with an extra 20% off, coupon code 'AprilShowers" so pulled the trigger. The cost worked out at $325 plus postage.

I will no doubt find out soon if it lives up to the hype.

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby rifraf » Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:41 pm

Aushiker wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:23 am
An update. I was holding off on a purchase, given it has been so dry here, so I didn't need a new jacket, but it is getting closer to winter, and I saw that 7MESH had the Copilot on sale with an extra 20% off, coupon code 'AprilShowers" so pulled the trigger. The cost worked out at $325 plus postage.

I will no doubt find out soon if it lives up to the hype.
G'day Andrew,
have you returned to the habit of losing your Showerspass mid tour yet again?
I'm starting to suspect you simply enjoy the retail therapy :lol:
Best of luck with the Copilot and I look forward to reading your review.
Hows the stress of Reise and Muller ownership with regards to security.
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:16 pm

Thanks for the memories. That loss of the jacket was a long time ago. I have gone through two IIRC OR jackets since then, and no. 2 son has now got the last one.

Well, I haven't left the R&M anywhere out of my sight as yet, so I still need to get a handle on stress levels.

You should be pleased that I have joined you with a Rohloff hub but with electronic shifting. I gave in eventually :). Does yours have a belt drive? I cannot recall.

I am pretty happy with the Rohloff so far.

Are you back in the land of the long white cloud now days?

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Re: Rain Jacket - Current Thinking

Postby rifraf » Sun Jun 16, 2024 8:09 pm

Aushiker wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:16 pm
Thanks for the memories. That loss of the jacket was a long time ago. I have gone through two IIRC OR jackets since then, and no. 2 son has now got the last one.

Well, I haven't left the R&M anywhere out of my sight as yet, so I still need to get a handle on stress levels.

You should be pleased that I have joined you with a Rohloff hub but with electronic shifting. I gave in eventually :). Does yours have a belt drive? I cannot recall.

I am pretty happy with the Rohloff so far.

Are you back in the land of the long white cloud now days?
Currently there yes, in Nth Otago.
I would have been back in Au. by now but got a bit knocked around by a woman driver who ignored a give way and walloped me into the oncoming lane, gifting me a fractured hip and damaged bike and a split helmet to remember her by.
The road rash has healed and the hip is likely as good as it'll get but my gait has altered leaving me feeling uncoordinated and somewhat awkward on my feet.
I've not yet managed to get back on the bike yet as its left me a little anxious and paranoid of traffic, though I do plan to force a change soon by way of doing the Alps to Oceans tour which is quite local to my locale, soonish.
The Ogre is not belt drive although I did have thoughts in that direction before the accident.
The electric shifting sounds very attractive but my understanding was, last I looked, it was only available on E-bikes.
I did find the Rohloff an acquired taste, but it was one I did learn to appreciate, finding the lack of maintenance attractive, overcoming my original annoyance at my perceived noise in certain gears which initially had me thinking about parting ways with it.
I look forward to hearing more updates on both your R&S bike, as well as your new rainwear.
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