New road bike. What's your desire ?

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby Mr Purple » Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:52 pm

blizzard wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:52 pm
I used to think the same for cassettes but since changed my mind, in terms of weight saving, the DA cassette is one of big ones. DA chains aren't much more than Ultegra. If you keep on top of the chain maintenance the cassette should last 20,000+ km.
You underestimate my appetite for destruction. 6000km and three chains to a cassette.

Yes, the Ultimate CFR Di2 looks about right for me! 6.35kg, full DuraAce and not too disastrously priced.

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... e=R102_P01

What a world we live in where that looks affordable!

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby jasonc » Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:46 pm

Mr purple I have just started chain waxing. Am hoping to get a crap load longer out of consumables

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby blizzard » Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:58 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:52 pm
blizzard wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:52 pm
I used to think the same for cassettes but since changed my mind, in terms of weight saving, the DA cassette is one of big ones. DA chains aren't much more than Ultegra. If you keep on top of the chain maintenance the cassette should last 20,000+ km.
You underestimate my appetite for destruction. 6000km and three chains to a cassette.

Yes, the Ultimate CFR Di2 looks about right for me! 6.35kg, full DuraAce and not too disastrously priced.

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... e=R102_P01

What a world we live in where that looks affordable!
I got 10500km on my first chain using a homemade wax, with no appreciable wear on my cassette and chainrings. Currently have 2 DA chains in rotation, I fully expect me to change bikes before I wear the current Ultegra cassette. Just switched over to Silca wax so, hopefully get better km again.

Then again, I don't put out the watts or do the climbing metres you do. I probably only put 1000km this year on the roadie due to young kids. At this rate I probably never to need to change brake pads again.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby g-boaf » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:40 pm

jasonc wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:46 pm
Mr purple I have just started chain waxing. Am hoping to get a crap load longer out of consumables
I don't know how Mr Purple would go, but even before my injuries (when I did have big power) I found the 12 speed SRAM Red E-tap chains and cassettes lasted ages, at least double what I used to get from 11 speed chains (KMC/SRAM Red/Shimano) and the cassettes seem to last longer.

I had a chain go more than 12,000km before I figured it was time to replace only out of caution, not because it was stretched. :o
Mr Purple wrote:
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What a world we live in where that looks affordable!
Quite true. I was in a 99 Bikes a while back and was shocked at the price of 105 equipped bikes. Are they kidding!? :roll:

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby Retrobyte » Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:24 pm

g-boaf wrote:
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Quite true. I was in a 99 Bikes a while back and was shocked at the price of 105 equipped bikes. Are they kidding!? :roll:
From what I can see, roadies with 105 and hydraulic disc brakes start at around $4k these days

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:21 am

Still waaaaay outta my budget, but LOVE this colour scheme

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:22 am

jasonc wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:46 pm
Mr purple I have just started chain waxing. Am hoping to get a crap load longer out of consumables
Been waxing for a while now and LOVE it. So easy (once you have the setup) and just so CLEAN !

Love it.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby familyguy » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:42 am

MichaelB wrote:
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Still waaaaay outta my budget, but LOVE this colour scheme

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The new Canyon CFR that Valtteri Bottas and Tiff Cromwell unpacked last week were pretty smart for understated paintjobs, too.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:35 am

MichaelB wrote:
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Still waaaaay outta my budget, but LOVE this colour scheme

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I do too. I would just like the branding names removed. No need to have them plastered so loudly everywhere. On the wheels too.
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby Mr Purple » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:30 am

MichaelB wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:22 am
jasonc wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:46 pm
Mr purple I have just started chain waxing. Am hoping to get a crap load longer out of consumables
Been waxing for a while now and LOVE it. So easy (once you have the setup) and just so CLEAN !

Love it.
I've just started using a wax based lube (Squirt) which is hopefully making a difference.

Will probably make the final step to waxing chains at some stage but can see it being too much of a faff at the moment.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:50 pm

Mr Purple wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:30 am
MichaelB wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:22 am
jasonc wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:46 pm
Mr purple I have just started chain waxing. Am hoping to get a crap load longer out of consumables
Been waxing for a while now and LOVE it. So easy (once you have the setup) and just so CLEAN !

Love it.
I've just started using a wax based lube (Squirt) which is hopefully making a difference.

Will probably make the final step to waxing chains at some stage but can see it being too much of a faff at the moment.
Have been through the normal lube/Squirt/Smoove prior top waxing.

Have 3 chains for the Llewellyn and 4 for the Commuter/CX bike. After having done the faff for cleaning the chains properly, it now takes way less time and cleaning stuff than the normal lube.

Just do it !

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:50 pm

I am wondering how it goes with a gravel bike?
Greater than half of my ks are on the dirt now. I clean the bike regularly and hose and brush the chain whilst doing so. Then drip wax on.
I see leaving dirt and crap on the driveline as accelerating wear. Not wanting to swap chains every ride or two and then have to frequently clean them and melt down more wax.
Is that how it would work?
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:16 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:50 pm
I am wondering how it goes with a gravel bike?
Greater than half of my ks are on the dirt now. I clean the bike regularly and hose and brush the chain whilst doing so. Then drip wax on.
I see leaving dirt and crap on the driveline as accelerating wear. Not wanting to swap chains every ride or two and then have to frequently clean them and melt down more wax.
Is that how it would work?
Give the Zero Friction Cycling site a good read. Keiran is also good at answering questions honestly.

Dusty conditions are not an issue with the wax, it's the heavy rain that causes issues for the waxed chains.

The4 real problem with the soluble lubes (wax or not) are that the solvents initially attract dust and the wax within the lube just does not have the same properties as the 'hot wax immersion' technique. Also, even with regular washing, you don't get out the grime within the chain like the immersion waxing does.

I seem to be getting 300 - 400km out of the chains before I swap them over.

As mentioned before, I have several that I rotate, so I tend to wax what has been used when I put on the last 'freshly waxed one'. It takes an hours duration with about 5-10 min of actual attention time to complete the waxing of 5 or 6 chains.

Yes, it's more effort to clean all those chains at the start. Yes it's more expensive to buy all those chains at the start.

BUT, yes it's easy to take one off and put on a fresh one. 5 mins start to finish and hands remain clean.

If you wash down the bike after a gravel ride, just avoid hosing the chain with the water directly.

Each to their own though, and what you prefer and feel comfortable.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:19 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:16 pm


Give the Zero Friction Cycling site a good read. Keiran is also good at answering questions honestly.

Dusty conditions are not an issue with the wax, it's the heavy rain that causes issues for the waxed chains.

The4 real problem with the soluble lubes (wax or not) are that the solvents initially attract dust and the wax within the lube just does not have the same properties as the 'hot wax immersion' technique. Also, even with regular washing, you don't get out the grime within the chain like the immersion waxing does.

I seem to be getting 300 - 400km out of the chains before I swap them over.

As mentioned before, I have several that I rotate, so I tend to wax what has been used when I put on the last 'freshly waxed one'. It takes an hours duration with about 5-10 min of actual attention time to complete the waxing of 5 or 6 chains.

Yes, it's more effort to clean all those chains at the start. Yes it's more expensive to buy all those chains at the start.

BUT, yes it's easy to take one off and put on a fresh one. 5 mins start to finish and hands remain clean.

If you wash down the bike after a gravel ride, just avoid hosing the chain with the water directly.

Each to their own though, and what you prefer and feel comfortable.

:)
Thanks, I'll have to give it a go at some point. :)
Burning money modifying the Patrol at the moment though :roll:
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:14 am

warthog1 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:19 pm

Thanks, I'll have to give it a go at some point. :)
Burning money modifying the Patrol at the moment though :roll:

FYI

https://youtu.be/BelnkR7djXk?si=P94KJ5xWNT7USqtC

Candle wax test by ZFC finally done

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby g-boaf » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:32 am

If it wasn't an e-bike I'd love to have this:

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/lotus-type-136

I love the colour too. Hard to miss the tribute they have paid to the famous Cervelo S5. :wink: :mrgreen:

It looks a bit funny from the front but the side profile is lovely.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby AndrewCowley » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:12 am

g-boaf wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:32 am
It looks a bit funny from the front but the side profile is lovely.

This is what happens when you think an S5 looks normal.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby g-boaf » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:43 am

AndrewCowley wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:12 am
g-boaf wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:32 am
It looks a bit funny from the front but the side profile is lovely.

This is what happens when you think an S5 looks normal.
Aside from the V-stem it's fairly standard aero-bike stuff, sort of improvement on the old rim brake S5 and similar to some others.

The Lotus machine has a stunning colour scheme.

If it came in a non e-bike version they might have a strong chance of selling those well, just get the price down a bit to the levels of the current top tier aero road bikes.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:50 am

I am sure that is fast GB but it would need to be very fast to make up for those looks for mine.
I am still liking this, even if it is at the top of what I am willing to pay.
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby g-boaf » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:02 am

warthog1 wrote:
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I am sure that is fast GB but it would need to be very fast to make up for those looks for mine.
I am still liking this, even if it is at the top of what I am willing to pay.
Wait until you see the Canyon Speedmax these days - that thing is absolutely stunning. I usually see a couple of those regularly, one yellow/black and the other white/black which is the nicer of the two. That said I'm not much of a fan of TT bikes, they aren't very enjoyable to ride.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:36 am

g-boaf wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:02 am


Wait until you see the Canyon Speedmax these days - that thing is absolutely stunning. I usually see a couple of those regularly, one yellow/black and the other white/black which is the nicer of the two. That said I'm not much of a fan of TT bikes, they aren't very enjoyable to ride.
I loved racing tts. Far and away my favourite event.
I have a quick look;
https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... /speedmax/
They don't look uci legal but I am out of the loop these days.
Is the 3:1 tubing length to width still a thing? The head tube looks too long to comply.

edit; maybe the CF7 would comply. Looks far shorter in that area.
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby g-boaf » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:43 am

https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... /3484.html

That's the UCI one. Really ugly colour scheme though.

This one has some interesting details: https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... e=R085_P12

Jan Frodeno's design. He is on Zwift quite a lot - really seems to be a nice person, very chatty unlike some of the pros who say nothing.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:21 pm

yeah I saw that but "we no longer sell this bike"
Maybe this, "coming soon" is the same thing or updated.
https://www.canyon.com/en-au/road-bikes ... e=R090_P01
I like my tts but not at $18k I don't :shock:
Too old now anyway. They are done for me. :|
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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:12 pm

Yeah, nah.

Still happy with the Llewellyn.

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Re: New road bike. What's your desire ?

Postby warthog1 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:26 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:12 pm
Yeah, nah.

Still happy with the Llewellyn.
and that is all that counts. ;)

That Canyon will fit 30+mm tyres and be noticeably faster for the same effort at the pedals, which matters to me.
It is going to date alot quicker though.
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