Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
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Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby JV911 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:07 pm
CYCLISTS who kill or seriously injure pedestrians face up to five years in jail or a $68,000 fine under a safety crackdown by the Victorian Government.
From today, there will be tougher penalties for dangerous riding offences and for cyclists who damage property and flee.
Previously, cyclists who rode dangerously or carelessly or failed to stop after damaging property faced fines of between $340 and $570.
Roads Minister Tim Pallas said the new measures were in response to community concerns.
"These new penalties will help police tackle reckless riding by cyclists and reduce the likelihood of pedestrians, other cyclists or drivers suffering serious injury,'' Mr Pallas said.
"We're driving home to cyclists the need for them to obey road laws or be punished.
"There are now harsher consequences for what are serious offences.''
Mr Pallas said the laws put cyclists on a similar footing to motorists when it came to being charged with serious traffic offences.
Other new penalties include a maximum fine of $13,610 and/or 12 months in jail for dangerous riding, and a fine of up to $567 or up to 14 days in jail for damaging property and failing to stop.
The measures are part of the Government's goal to lower the road toll by 30 per cent by 2017.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby rustychisel » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:42 pm
JV911 wrote:http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25 ... 77,00.html
Mr Pallas said the laws put cyclists on a similar footing to motorists when it came to being charged with serious traffic offences.
The measures are part of the Government's goal to lower the road toll by 30 per cent by 2017.
load of !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!. load of !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!. !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!.
Enforce road rules, by all means. Compel acquiescence as you wish. Do it evenly. A widely reported tragic incident on the Beach ride doesn't equal a spate of such antics, if I'm not mistaken. Mr Pallas should be made accountable for such craven !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! statements.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby h3ndry » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:47 pm
But at least mainstream news media is playing a crucial role in puppeting the government AND making me laugh.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby Nate » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:18 pm
What about pedestrians?
make them just as accountable too...?
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby AllDan » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:43 pm
will "but I was on the phone, doing my makeup and I just didn't see them" be the valid excuse it always seems to be?
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby m@ » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:43 pm
If that's true, presumably we can kill other road users through gross negligence and get away with a slap on the wrist by claiming we didn't see them...Mr Pallas said the laws put cyclists on a similar footing to motorists when it came to being charged with serious traffic offences.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby Major Taylor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:48 pm
AndJV911 wrote: "These new penalties will help police tackle reckless riding by cyclists and reduce the likelihood of pedestrians, other cyclists or drivers suffering serious injury,'' Mr Pallas said.
SnickerJV911 wrote: The measures are part of the Government's goal to lower the road toll by 30 per cent by 2017
Those Victorian cyclists are a tough bunch if they cause 1% of serious injuries to pedestrians and drivers. Mr Pallas must think that since reckless driving has been stamped out it’s time to find new targets. Either that or the Vic police have decided pursuit of reckless cyclists is safer than reckless drivers.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby rustguard » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:31 pm
oil companies run the government; so get back into the safety of your car.
so glad I dont live in victoria, and so sad if other states follow this trend.
cycling groups better get their act together soon. so who is going to protest these laws?
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby rkelsen » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:46 pm
If they're serious about this, how about implementing a proper driver education system? They hand car licences to people who can't drive properly, and then fine them for it! It's a completely absurd situation. In Germany, it takes a year of study and practise to earn your licence. Better than a few lessons and a 15 minute test, isn't it?JV911 wrote:The measures are part of the Government's goal to lower the road toll by 30 per cent by 2017.
Anyhow, the first politician who tables the licensing of cyclists will NEVER get my vote.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby crog » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:40 pm
To me it just seems an alignment as previous penalties are obviously insufficient. Whilst it is a noted case they rider who hit and killed the guy on beach road got away with a slap on the wrist and he was in the wrong running a red light i remember. If a car run a red light and killed a cyclist those who are critisising this announcement would be up in arms if the driver recieved a similar fine.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby Kalgrm » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:42 pm
Ah, well, there's nothing for us to worry about then, is there? Slaps on the wrists all round.JV911 wrote:Mr Pallas said the laws put cyclists on a similar footing to motorists when it came to being charged with serious traffic offences.
Sounds fair to me.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:06 pm
Punny"We're driving home to cyclists the need for them to obey road laws or be punished,'' he said.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby m@ » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:22 pm
Fair point - the maximum penalty for negligent driving in NSW is 10 years' jail. At the end of the day, magistrates are highly unlikely to hand out the maximum penalty to anyone not thoroughly deserving it.crog wrote:Surley bike riders which claim equal rights to using road etc should be liable to similar penalties for negligence etc, particuarily when it causes death or damage to property as other road users do.
To me it just seems an alignment as previous penalties are obviously insufficient. Whilst it is a noted case they rider who hit and killed the guy on beach road got away with a slap on the wrist and he was in the wrong running a red light i remember. If a car run a red light and killed a cyclist those who are critisising this announcement would be up in arms if the driver recieved a similar fine.
Tim Pallas's comments are what makes the whole thing seem a little absurd... Cyclists are typically the ones 'severely injured' by drivers, not the other way around, yet they often get away with it. Fair enough to introduce new laws to make everyone accountable for their actions, but stating that this is part of a campaign to reduce the road toll by 30% is just bizarre - two pedestrians were killed by cyclists in the past decade - unless it's a subversive move aimed at persecuting cyclists until they abandon the road altogether and aren't available to be killed by motorists...
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 pm
Gotta slap them naughty cyclists while a truck driver runs a red light, kills eleven, injures many more and traumatises three of my colleagues to the point that two of them are unlikely to ever work in the industry again and gets off scott free.
Perspective?
Not in this Govt.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby herzog » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:33 pm
Well they seem to have introduced something but it only applies to walkers!?!
This should have been implemented as a complete solution, giving riders additional protections.
As it stands, its very tough on us, with no benefits.
Fail.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby twizzle » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:46 pm
IMHO, it just puts cyclists in the same category as motor vehicles. It puts meaningful fines on the kind of bad behaviour that we wouldn't accept by car drivers, and we shouldn't accept by other cyclists. The sad part is that these laws are aimed at the minority of cyclists who think that the rules don't apply to them, and a few of them are going to get made an example of so that all cyclists get the message that riding at speed through red lights and crowds of pedestrians is not acceptable. Mind you, they could have tried enforcing the existing laws before deciding to increase the fines.... but I guess it's cheaper to increase fines than increase police presence.
And I'm sure the pedestrians bitch about us cyclists as much as we bitch about the car drivers.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby il padrone » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:57 pm
Who cops the dangerous cycling fine???
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby im_no_pro » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:15 pm
Well put. Cyclists are so often wanting to be treated as equal road users. This is part of that. It's the same as the speeding fine v revenue raising argument - if you dont break the law you have nothing to worry about (I on the other hand, have made the odd donation to the governments coffers ). The laws havent changed, just the penalty for breaking it. HTFU I reckon.... In saying that, I still think Tim Pallas is a knob, but I already thought that.twizzle wrote:I saw this story just before this thread was started, and decided to have a long think about it before posting.
IMHO, it just puts cyclists in the same category as vehicles. It puts meaningful fines on the kind of bad behaviour that we wouldn't accept by car drivers, and we shouldn't accept by other cyclists. The sad part is that these laws are aimed at the minority of cyclists who think that the rules don't apply to them, and a few of them are going to get made an example of so that all cyclists get the message that riding at speed through red lights and crowds of pedestrians is not acceptable. Mind you, they could have tried enforcing the existing laws before deciding to increase the fines.... but I guess it's cheaper to increase fines than increase police presence.
And I'm sure the pedestrians bitch about us cyclists as much as we bitch about the car drivers.
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby JV911 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:21 pm
was having this exact conversation just the other day, sparked by a news article about woman complaining that she doesnt have time to give her kids 100 hours (or whatever it is) "instruction". plenty of countries have compulsory driver training. why dont we?!?!?rkelsen wrote:JV911 wrote:In Germany, it takes a year of study and practise to earn your licence. Better than a few lessons and a 15 minute test, isn't it?
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby 18htan » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:11 pm
Ok I am confused...The Age - Article wrote:"Cycling is becoming a legitimate form of transport,'' Mr Pallas said.
"But (with the recognition) that this is an important means of transport comes increased responsibility. This Government will come down hard on bad behaviour because there is a real consequence.''
The Government has recognized cycling as an important means of transport...
So does that mean cycling will get an important means of funding, just like the other road users?
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Re: Reckless cyclists face up to five years jail
Postby Major Taylor » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:24 pm
Bicycles are vehicles. This makes us a scapegoat for failed transportation policy. We feel this scapegoating every time auto drivers abuse us.twizzle wrote: IMHO, it just puts cyclists in the same category as vehicles.
We have as much right to use the road as anyone else, and do not break laws any more often, than other users. Unfortunately, other users often abuse us.im_no_pro wrote:Cyclists are so often wanting to be treated as equal road users
Why isn’t this clear to either of you?
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