Kickstand for MTB tourer?
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Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:12 pm
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Aushiker » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:23 pm
I have a Hebie Bipod 605 NL on my Surly Long Haul Trucker, however, I don't know if it would fit your MTB or not. Baazlmon had problems fitting one to his Masi road bike.
That all said, if one does fit, I think they are great for both holding up the bike but making maintenance that bit easier.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:40 pm
Did you consider other types/brands/models of stands? If so, why the Hebie 605?
Why a pod rather than a side stand?
Do you think a front wheel/handlebar stabilizer is necessary to guard against sudden movement of the front end when the bike is on the stand?
Does the "699 40 retrofit plate" use the hole in the chain-stay brace? (the hole that is usually used for mounting the rear mudguard)
I had a look at your Surly LHT 1000 km service photo. It's difficult to be sure but it appears that the front wheel is about 200mm off the ground when the bike is on the stand. Is that a little higher than it needs to be? Could you have got away with using the shorter stand?
I'm assuming that the RHS pod leg sits up snug under the chain when the stand is retracted ... is that adjustable in any way? I'm just concerned about ground clearance when riding along rocky or vegetation littered undulating tracks.
Cheers and thanks again
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby il padrone » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:21 pm
P.S. the Hebie stands are very good too, especially the classic Bipod 'Royal Mail' version as Aushiker uses (but it is solid steel, so quite heavy). My son uses one and it is very stable. When raised it still lies below the chain return line, and he has no problems with hooking vegetation or rocks on off-road trails. For this to happen you'd have to be bashing your chainrings too.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:37 pm
Can you recommend a good place to purchase one?
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby il padrone » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:23 am
I'm not sure where you'd get one in Adelaide. I bought my first from St Kilda Cycles, but they were a bit off-hand about how good the stand would work - "Most people break them within 12 months". Five years later mine is still working extremely well.
I bought a couple for the commuter and my wife's bike later on from Arthur E. Bike in USA.
St John Street Cycles in UK don't have Greenfield stands but do have similar rear sidestands from Pletscher and Hebie
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:30 pm
$20 each plus $22 postage to Adelaide
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby il padrone » Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:50 pm
Have a great time touring.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Aushiker » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:04 pm
I appreciate you have made a purchasing decision but for anyone else interested, my answers are:
For the Surly Long Haul Trucker, yes I did consider a ESGE Bipod kickstand. Both are similar types of kickstand but but went with the Hebie as much on price and ease of availability as anything. Having seen an ESGE in action I am glad I went with the Hebie. The rubber boots made a difference in sandy conditions.gregmacc wrote:Did you consider other types/brands/models of stands? If so, why the Hebie 605?
I like the way it holds the bike and it provides a maintenance platform. Something I consider important on a touring bike when touring.Why a pod rather than a side stand?
Well not me anyway. The Surly seems to be quite well balanced and I haven't found it an issue as yet.Do you think a front wheel/handlebar stabilizer is necessary to guard against sudden movement of the front end when the bike is on the stand?
Yes and I have a mudguard fitted as well.Does the "699 40 retrofit plate" use the hole in the chain-stay brace? (the hole that is usually used for mounting the rear mudguard)
I measured it this morning and it is ~ 120 mm of the ground. Initially I thought the stand was way to big but in actual use, it has worked out to be about right.I had a look at your Surly LHT 1000 km service photo. It's difficult to be sure but it appears that the front wheel is about 200mm off the ground when the bike is on the stand. Is that a little higher than it needs to be? Could you have got away with using the shorter stand?
The Hebie does not fold up with the legs coming together. They fold up with one leg on the left and one on the right. So far I haven't had any ground clearance issues but then this is not a mountain bike and hence is not being ridden on very rocky trails.I'm assuming that the RHS pod leg sits up snug under the chain when the stand is retracted ... is that adjustable in any way? I'm just concerned about ground clearance when riding along rocky or vegetation littered undulating tracks.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:17 pm
Cheers
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby s-s-a » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:54 pm
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby stevepedlin » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:05 pm
S-S-A, the experienced tourers here like Il Padrone and Aushiker are the best to explain why a stand is needed when touring, but I'll have a quick stab in the meantime- in Greg's and the guys case, and soon to be my case, there is a need because the bikes are laden with travelling gear, like racks, luggage panniers and an assortment of other stuff strapped to the bike, this makes them heavy and even more unstable when stationary. A center stand helps prevent you from looking for something to lean the bike against when you dismount, the bike from toppling over and damaging things like rear vision mirrors etc. Dual legged center stands are sometimes prefered because a touring rig will tend to have a higher center of gravity than the bottom bracket level a side kickstand is levering from- they can tend to topple over even with a sidestand, even by a gust of wind. The two legged centre stand largely eliminates this problem and as the guys have mentioned, it tends (usually) to lift your rear wheel off the ground, making some basic maintenance tasks easier, its the most garunteed to give stability. Touring is quite a different technical proposition to any other form of cycling, as I am figuring out !
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:45 pm
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:57 pm
I'm willing to bet that having a well designed and fitted stand on our bikes would have provided a more secure and stable parking option in most of the cases cited above. And of course ... you don't have to use it.
So many experienced bicycle tourers swear by stands ... They are quite inexpensive as bicycle accessories go ... so we are going to give them a try and see what happens.
Cheers
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Baldy » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:00 am
Theres a stand thats freestanding, its kind of like a few pieces of a tent pole with a U shape attachment on one end and a small platform or "foot" on the other end. The idea being you can strap it too your top tube or something for traveling. and then use bands to lock off your brakes. Someone is selling them but I cant think of the name, its something you could make yourself as well. I think its a nice idea and Im going to make one when I can find a used tent pole with ali sections. Only found worn fiberglass ones so far but havnt been looking long.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Aushiker » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:05 am
HiBaldy wrote:Theres a stand thats freestanding, its kind of like a few pieces of a tent pole with a U shape attachment on one end and a small platform or "foot" on the other end.
I suspect you are referring to the Click-Stand or similar. Ken blogged on his back January 2009.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby cavebear2 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:08 pm
Correction: The fact that my bike fell over was my fault. The stand is extremely convenient, I would find it a real pain in the ass to not have a stand for a fully loaded touring bike. Not all objects that you lean your bike against (if you have any that is) will be stable enough to hold 35 to 45kg of bike/load. The Hebie Bipod is extremely robust and very stable, in fact one of my best purchases ever.Baalzamon wrote:Mind you, whilst on the Esperance - Perth tour my bike without a kickstand was the only bike to not fall over. Cavebear2 and Aushiker both had their bikes fall over after using the kickstand on sand and being stable for a few mins. All the object I leant my bike on where very stable
Note that if you have a large chain ring above 48T there may be compatibility issues, also, if you don't have a genuine touring bike (like Baalzamon) it may not fit your bike.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby Baldy » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:17 pm
Going on the prices I might just buy one. Rather than stuff around trying to build one.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby cavebear2 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:18 pm
If your bike + load weighs 35 to 45 kgs I think you would understand that a stable stand is essential. eg. You just stopped somewhere on the Nullabor without a stand ..... think about it.s-s-a wrote:Just curious as to the main reason for wanting/needing stands? It has never occurred to me to put a stand on one of my bikes.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby cavebear2 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:25 pm
I used a rubber 'cable' tie (available in hardware shops) to keep front wheel and down tube in line when the stand was in use and with most weight in rear panniers and front wheel raised. It worked very well.gregmacc wrote:Do you think a front wheel/handlebar stabilizer is necessary to guard against sudden movement of the front end when the bike is on the stand?
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby mylesau » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:56 pm
Works well on the smooth and in the rough, is very lightweight and strong (Max version):
The only issue I've had is that the rubber on the U section that goes under the top tube is beginning to wear - it should be an easy fix with a little grip tape or similar.
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby s-s-a » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:01 pm
Yeah I get it. I've toured on- and off-road plenty of places with nothing to lean a bike against, with total bike weight probably up to 30kg. Not for months at a stretch though. One of my complaints about the new PVC white guide posts is that you can't lean a bike against themIf your bike + load weighs 35 to 45 kgs I think you would understand that a stable stand is essential. eg. You just stopped somewhere on the Nullabor without a stand ..... think about it
I agree that a centre stand would be an excellent workstand while out on a trip! And with loads that big you're hardly going to notice the extra weight of the stand...
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby gregmacc » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:30 pm
This is Wendy's bike ... exactly the same sized ovalated aluminium chain stays as my bike.
New holes needed to be made to accommodate our wider chain stays.
The blue gunk is Locktight.
We went for the 285mm stand leg ... they do a 305mm as well ... 285mm seems to provide an angle of lean which is just right ... i will say more about that after we've lived with the stands a while.
Thanks to everyone who responded with advice and info.
Cheers
Greg
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Re: Kickstand for MTB tourer?
Postby stevepedlin » Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:41 am
Did you tap new threads ?
Well, if my alloy centre stand doesn't turn up(still waiting) I might consider one of these.
steve
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