High Altitude Training
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High Altitude Training
Postby mikesbytes » Thu May 12, 2011 10:58 am
Now to make it just a bit more interesting, there's a mob in Sydney offering simulated high altitude training
http://www.sydneyaltitudetraining.com
I haven't checked the price but I understand its not cheap, but I'd bet that the infrastructure required to simulate high altitude's is pretty dam expensive.
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby sogood » Thu May 12, 2011 11:10 am
Otherwise I'd say it's useless and a gimmic to do these short expensive sessions. If you really want proper effect, you'll need to go high and live and train there for a while. The aim is for the body to adapt ie. Increase haematocrit (EPO effect). Doing short sessions just won't achieve the same.
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu May 12, 2011 3:46 pm
It has been used and studied extensively in the performance of cyclists. In fact probably more research has been done on cycling performance since the precise performance (wattage) is more readily measured on bicycles and ergometers.mikesbytes wrote:In my days as a competitive runner, there was always a lot of talk about high altitude training. Many top runners would go to the US to train at altitude. However you don't seem to hear the same conversations in the cycling world.
+1sogood wrote:Otherwise I'd say it's useless and a gimmic to do these short expensive sessions. If you really want proper effect, you'll need to go high and live and train there for a while. The aim is for the body to adapt ie. Increase haematocrit (EPO effect). Doing short sessions just won't achieve the same.
See here for some sound advice on altitude training for cyclists:
http://www.turbostudio.com.au/faq_altitude_training.pdf
Really, the only sensible reason to train at altitude is to prepare for training/racing at altitude. And it require 8-12 hours per day of hypoxic exposure for many weeks in order for benefits to kick in. Occasional shorts sessions don't cut it, the evidence does not support it's efficacy, and indeed all it serves to do is reduce the quality of a given training session since it has an acute negative impact on ability to produce power.
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High Altitude Training
Postby Dr_Mutley » Thu May 12, 2011 4:02 pm
Does it have an effect? Scientific evidence would say no, but some argue that their results would maybe suggest otherwise?
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby hannos » Thu May 12, 2011 4:17 pm
A psychological effect as opposed to a physical?Dr_Mutley wrote:Collingwood believe in it, and at a significant expense. They send their list to arizona each year for preseason training...
Does it have an effect? Scientific evidence would say no, but some argue that their results would maybe suggest otherwise?
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby toolonglegs » Thu May 12, 2011 4:35 pm
But in the past IMO altitude training was a cover for cheating..."yes of course my hematocrit have gone through the roof...I have been training at altitude!".
Altitude tents are illegal in Italy .
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu May 12, 2011 6:36 pm
Yeah, but really makes no sense. May as well bans heaters and air conditioning, windows, electric lights and roofs over our heads since they are all artificially changing the environment too.toolonglegs wrote:Altitude tents are illegal in Italy .
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby sogood » Thu May 12, 2011 6:47 pm
I'd confidently say it "works". By throwing a bundle of money and living it up in Arizona on ignorant players, many of them will think it works and perform. Perfect placebo effect!Dr_Mutley wrote:Collingwood believe in it, and at a significant expense. They send their list to arizona each year for preseason training...
Does it have an effect? Scientific evidence would say no, but some argue that their results would maybe suggest otherwise?
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby trailgumby » Thu May 12, 2011 9:13 pm
Goes to show that you don't have to be very smart to be an effective AFL player. If I recall correctly, quite a few were enthusiasts of those hologram wristbands as well.Dr_Mutley wrote:Collingwood believe in it, and at a significant expense. They send their list to arizona each year for preseason training...
Does it have an effect? Scientific evidence would say no, but some argue that their results would maybe suggest otherwise?
Exactly how long does Collingwood management think the effect lasts? The reality is, a week or maybe two at best.
The main downside of the altitude training fad compared to the wristbads is it's not as easy to identify stupid people any more. Those wristbands were such a gift in that regard.
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby mikesbytes » Thu May 12, 2011 9:20 pm
So in a nutshell, go live somewhere high or don't bother at all
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby toolonglegs » Thu May 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Yup,isn't anything that artificially improves performance is banned?... a hell of a lot of things would be covered by that.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Yeah, but really makes no sense. May as well bans heaters and air conditioning, windows, electric lights and roofs over our heads since they are all artificially changing the environment too.toolonglegs wrote:Altitude tents are illegal in Italy .
You will have to get your lego out to get any altitude in Oz Mike .
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri May 13, 2011 11:55 am
Exactly. Like eating pre-prepared foods, sleeping under blankets, training on an ergo bike. What's not "artificial"?toolonglegs wrote:Yup,isn't anything that artificially improves performance is banned?... a hell of a lot of things would be covered by that.
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby jules21 » Fri May 13, 2011 1:02 pm
don't be so sure - they were probably paid to wear them.trailgumby wrote:The main downside of the altitude training fad compared to the wristbads is it's not as easy to identify stupid people any more. Those wristbands were such a gift in that regard.
spending a couple of weeks at high altitude walking in nepal in 2009, it definitely throws your body around. i had a couple of periods where i felt like my core temperature dropped suddenly (feverish) and had to wrap myself up in all my thermal gear and sleeping bag for an hour or so. and i had days when i could barely muster the energy to walk 500m. no idea if it improved my physical condition.
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby foo on patrol » Sat May 14, 2011 7:35 pm
Goal 6000km
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Re: High Altitude Training
Postby sogood » Sat May 14, 2011 11:55 pm
I understand you won't get very far with that objective.foo on patrol wrote:Why wouldn't you concentrate on just expanding lung capacity, through weight training with bench presses and associated exercises, or am I missing something here?
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