Interesting conversation with my daughter.
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Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:17 pm
"Have they closed the streets for something other than the bike racing or is it just for the bikes"?
I respond with "No bub, it's just for the bike race"
She "well what if a car needs to use the road"?
Me "They either wait for the road to reopen or go another way".
She "So they're closed only for the bike race"
Me "Yes"
She, looking somewhat disgusted "Please tell me that are doing it for charity at least"
Me "No Boof head (my nickname for her), that's their job, they get paid to ride bikes".
She "Doesn't seem fair"
While I had to try extremely hard not to laugh, it got me thinking about people's prejudices and how my innocent 9 year old daughter, who's father cycles for fun and fitness, can so early and without guidance from her parents, form such a negative opinion on the rights of cyclists to use the roads. What are people's thoughts on this? How do you think a 9 year old forms such opinions. I know a lot of my prejudices (and any one who says they don't have prejudices are deluded) were learnt from my parents and friends but I just don't know where this has come from.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Pax » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:36 pm
Regarding cars as the dominant transport discourse in society:
Ask most people to draw their neighbourhood and they will probably draw a street map...instead of houses, trees, parks, neighbours etc
The car subtly rules our consciousness all too often...how much time do kids spend in cars compared to on bikes? How many car adverts compared to bikes? etc etc etc
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:49 pm
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:52 pm
Possibly. She does keep bugging me to let her ride to school though but it's too far and too dangerous for her. We sometimes drive to within a couple of kilometres from her school and ride from there so she's not like she is clueless about the subject. We have ridden on the road together.MattyK wrote:Her opinion will be based on how you transport her
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Pax » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:36 am
Let me assure you that the "Draw your neighborhood" line with no other qualifications leads to the "map" result for most adolescents & adults. Your "Boof head" might come up with a surprise though.AKO wrote:Good points pax, I might get her to draw the neighbourhood tomorrow and see what she comes up with. It was completely out of left field and her responses were a little more mature than I am used to from her. I came off night shift this morning and was kind of in a tired stupor when the discussion took place and have to say it blew me away. It was really surprising as our conversations usually revolve around burps, farts and how bad the cats breath smells (as well as hockey and swimming).
Sounds like a fun kid ...
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby slidetaker » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:07 pm
I will try to continue the discuss with car races close roads too. How's that unfair.....also explain the goods of having public and sporting events in a social level..
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:30 pm
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Comedian » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:32 pm
When I replied "just riding home" she was horrified that someone was actually going to use a bike to ride somewhere.
In Australia, our dedication to the car and abolition of utility cycling has lead to a generation of Australians that think a bike is only useful for sport or pleasure.
They are actually a really good way to get around.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby rkelsen » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:19 pm
While it is great that you cycle for "fun and fitness," if your daughter doesn't see you riding for any practical reasons, then I think I see your problem...AKO wrote:What are people's thoughts on this? How do you think a 9 year old forms such opinions.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:14 pm
They quite often see me (I have 2 girls, the second younger) riding while being driven to or from school by the misses. It's a big deal for them (ok, and me) when they see me, their faces light up and they wave like idiots. They know I ride to the shops or ride home after dropping the car off for a windscreen or tyres etc. I'm not dismissing your opinion I just don't think she has made the connection yet. I may be wrong, god knows I have been before.rkelsen wrote:While it is great that you cycle for "fun and fitness," if your daughter doesn't see you riding for any practical reasons, then I think I see your problem...AKO wrote:What are people's thoughts on this? How do you think a 9 year old forms such opinions.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby toolonglegs » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:25 pm
But they are pretty used to seeing roads closed off for bike racing, only last week our road was closed off for the Dauphine TT. To be honest they are so used to it that they probably wouldn't even comment on it.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby jules21 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:41 pm
as a kid, i believed girls were useless. i was stronger than them and they spent their time playing with dolls and dressing up, etc. it's natural that kids are in awe of motor vehicles.
* i don't have any kids, just an opinion
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby human909 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:37 pm
I think all the 'problems' here can be summarised by these two quotes.AKO wrote:Possibly. She does keep bugging me to let her ride to school though but it's too far and too dangerous for her. We sometimes drive to within a couple of kilometres from her school and ride from there so she's not like she is clueless about the subject. We have ridden on the road together.MattyK wrote:Her opinion will be based on how you transport her
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:56 am
No worries human. I'll solve the "problem" by letting her ride the 9 klms to school along some roads that I refuse to ride on. Not sure why you saw my comments as a negative.human909 wrote:I think all the 'problems' here can be summarised by these two quotes.AKO wrote:Possibly. She does keep bugging me to let her ride to school though but it's too far and too dangerous for her. We sometimes drive to within a couple of kilometres from her school and ride from there so she's not like she is clueless about the subject. We have ridden on the road together.MattyK wrote:Her opinion will be based on how you transport her
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Ozkaban » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:49 am
Don't worry. The world is still black and white for some. I'd probably cop the same flack if I let it slip that I don't let my daughters ride to school despite the fact that the commute involves the F3/pacific hwy and is 20km...AKO wrote:No worries human. I'll solve the "problem" by letting her ride the 9 klms to school along some roads that I refuse to ride on. Not sure why you saw my comments as a negative.
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Ozkaban » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:57 pm
Closer schools.Comedian wrote:I find it interesting how far people send their kids from home to school. I wonder how often that happened before cars?
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby burger » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:52 pm
Father-in-law used to ride a horse with his brothers . . . . .Ozkaban wrote:Closer schools.Comedian wrote:I find it interesting how far people send their kids from home to school. I wonder how often that happened before cars?
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby Xplora » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:26 pm
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Re: Interesting conversation with my daughter.
Postby AKO » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:18 pm
We moved a couple of years ago and we didn't want the girls changing schools, moving away from friends. Plus they go to a Catholic school (so let the Christian bashing commence lol) and its the closet one of those to us even after we moved. There is a new high school just opened down the road which they will be going to, and riding to when they reach year 7.Xplora wrote:Kinda wonder why the girl is being sent 9kms away for school - assuming you aren't in a remote/rural area. You don't have a choice all the time... but a 9 year old needs to be going to a local school to have local friends and a local community. Hopefully commuting locally on her own steam. Not all have the choice... but my kids won't be going to school more than 2kms away from our house. I want them to walk or ride. I walked at least a kilometre most of my schooling life. I'm a more active person for it too.
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