Thanks for posting. Yes it wasn't that long ago that it was hard to find studies showing the link between animal products and kidney damage/disease.
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Postby Nobody » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:18 am
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Postby Nobody » Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:32 pm
I didn't comment on Dr K changing his mind even though I didn't agree with him and still don't take DHA or EPA supplements. I even try to limit my linseed to 12g or less a day since I know it increases my LDL cholesterol. Jeff Nelson is good at getting to the bottom of issues and seems to have done it again with a rebuttal of Dr K's video above.
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Postby Nobody » Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:47 am
To make this as basic as possible. If a particular food has a Cal density of more than 1 Cal per gram, then I'd be more careful about the estimated quantity. The higher the Cal density and fat content - any types of fat - the more likely I would be to weigh or measure it out.
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Postby Nobody » Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:13 pm
Another video on bowel movement frequency, consistency etc. How much fibre we should be eating a day. Also a brief history of some pioneering scientists/educators/doctors and the food types they thought were the cause of people's health problems.
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Postby Nobody » Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:12 pm
There are a number of drivers of high BP. The main short term ones are sodium intake (increases hydration, therefore blood volume), fat intake (reduces blood flow) and being overweight (more vascular system for the heart to have to feed). The obvious long term one is vacular damage over the years caused by an inflammatory diet.
I can't remember if I mentioned it, but I also had some blood tests in mid May. The specialist said they were normal as far as she was concerned and "essentially normal" from the blood tester's commentary. But I still think they needed improvement. I was still technically anemic and my liver markers were higher than my normal, so didn't post the results. I also got some more blood tests yesterday. I'm expecting the results from them in about a week or two. Hoping for some improvements, but not expecting them.
I'm also due for another liver echo scan to see what's happening with the tumors. Hoping for no evidence of futher growth. I should get that done in the next month or two.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby warthog1 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:22 pm
I hope your liver tumours are not growing.
I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.
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Postby Nobody » Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:53 pm
As for the tumours, I feel better than a year ago thanks. But that's an anecdote. I need the scan to be sure. If growth is shown to be haulted, then that will be an achievement. If so, I'll post what I did and the reasoning behind it.
warthog1 wrote:I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.
Yeah fish would be my choice if I had to go back onto animal products. That is small fish that has less bio-accumulated toxins. The main problems that should stop me though is the promotion of tumour growth and more heme iron absorption. Both big problems for me.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby warthog1 » Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:32 pm
Fantastic effort mate with all the research and diet experimentation you have done.Nobody wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:53 pmThanks for posting. Thanks also for the compliment, but you know you can't compare your BP with mine since I don't appear to have a genetic predisposition to hypertension. As you also know - but for others reading - my BP is potentially what a normal person could achieve by eating a low fat WFPB diet for many years and also avoid caffeine and salt.
As for the tumours, I feel better than a year ago thanks. But that's an anecdote. I need the scan to be sure. If growth is shown to be haulted, then that will be an achievement. If so, I'll post what I did and the reasoning behind it.
warthog1 wrote:I am still off meat apart from fish. That is the best I am going to do but don't mind it.
Yeah fish would be my choice if I had to go back onto animal products. That is small fish that has less bio-accumulated toxins. The main problems that should stop me though is the promotion of tumour growth and more heme iron absorption. Both big problems for me.
Your posts and this thread have definitely encouraged me to change my diet for the better, so thank you.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:37 pm
You're welcome. Thanks for the feedback. It's people like yourself I do it for. We don't all need to be extreme to make improvements. Although some may have to if their battling a serious illness. Speaking of which, below is an inspirational video for people in that situation.warthog1 wrote:Your posts and this thread have definitely encouraged me to change my diet for the better, so thank you.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:17 pm
On a positive note, it shows what can be achieved to combat tumour growth with diet therapy.
On the negative side, it also shows what can happen when one stops being meticulous about iron intake with haemochromatosis.
I need to achieve a better balance, which I think I can do and have already started. Another year will tell for sure. But I've also found that blood tests can also give me a shorter term indication.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:49 pm
In addition there is also the aspect - not mentioned in the video - that a single bite can also lead to going down a revertive path that is usually very difficult to claw back from.
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Postby baabaa » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:05 pm
Better Than Rice? Traditional Crops That Taste Good, Can Resist Drought & Floods | Forgotten Palate
Hybrid Purple Rice That Is More Nutritious, Can Better Weather Climate Change? | Forgotten Palate
Cant do high protein high gluten wheat (go for buck wheat and pulse flours ) or starchy white rice ( go for aged brown basmati) anymore just bland and not so sure they are so good for the belly....
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:15 pm
Below is my diet. As usual, still a work in progress. Currently 93% raw by Cal and the only cooked part is frozen corn. Even though I don't cook it, to my knowledge it comes blanched at 68 degC to kill the enzymes before freezing. So to raw food people, technically cooked.
Hosted by Google photos, so I don't know how long it will be before it's deleted. I should get another hosting service...
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:57 pm
Abstract of the study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37869973/
It was over 10 years ago now, but I certainly noticed that big efforts on the bike up hills were easier after changing to a plant only diet.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby warthog1 » Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:27 pm
I definitely went backwards up our local 20min climb when I tried it.Nobody wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:57 pmPlant-Based Diets Support Athletic Performance
Abstract of the study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37869973/
It was over 10 years ago now, but I certainly noticed that big efforts on the bike up hills were easier after changing to a plant only diet.
Wasn't well planned and I was probably in calorie deficit. Added a minute or two to the climb though.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:59 pm
I find the article hard to believe. But the results are what they are. Good news for those that have robust health.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:36 pm
There are two aspects of psychology which come to mind when it comes to the self deception with diet. Both are commented on in the video above and at least one study has been done on the "I've got a good diet" self deception, even if people don't actually have a good diet. I can't find the reference for it though, or what they called it.
The other aspect is in the following link which is the saying "the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is illusion of knowledge". It relates to our life-long exposure to diet misinformation/marketing by the food industries. So when people try to teach us more accurate, but differing information from what we've been indoctrinated with, we usually reject it. Although not a simple explanation, they are both probably related to Agnotology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology
https://www.quora.com/What-did-Hawking- ... -knowledge
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby warthog1 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:43 am
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/flaxse ... te-cancer/
I have been adding this to my morning oats for several years, largely courtesy of info provided by our OP.
Have a familial hx of Ca including prostate Ca. Seems it is helpful to reduce the risk of it.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby am50em » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:54 am
Hopefully helping to lower blood pressure, improve cholesterol levels and improve blood sugar.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:49 pm
Even some grains can raise cholesterol in some people. Esselstyn says if you're eating well and your cholesterol is still high, try cuttings all grains. Then add a grain back one at a time, then blood test after a period of time. It may be helpful advice, but it sounds like a lot of cholesterol testing is going to be involved before one finds the answer. Anyway, see for yourself what he says about it starting at 36:20 in the video below.
In rating foods for healthiness, Greger would say, "compared to what?". Studies for nuts and seeds are typically based on people with poor diets. So the substitution or "offset effect" could be the major beneficial effect.
I no longer eat overt plant fats regularly. The reason being that the intake of just seeds - about 70g/d - raised my LDL cholesterol from 1.6 (good) to 2.6 (outside normal range). That's why obtaining the optimum diet for an individual is more complex than just adding foods that appear to show a significant benefit to the average wealthy populations with generally poor diets. We need to look at the overall picture as well. There is a scientifically based argument as to why it would be beneficial to add ground flax seeds to one's diet to balance omega-6 fat intake and keep the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats to less than 3:1 (like inflammation reduction). However it may be just better to lower/eliminate the omega-6 fat intake in the first place.
The article below shows the progression of atherosclerosis in humans and herbivore animals with saturated, mono or polyunsaturated oils. My results above show that this can apply to whole foods as well.
https://dresselstyn.com/site/is_oil_healthy.pdf
IMO Greger can be led too literally by the recent available science on some subjects, without looking at the bigger picture. in doing so he can lead us all astray. The video below points to the bigger picture as older science has shown.
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Re: Plant Based Diet Thread
Postby Nobody » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:30 pm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15673620/
The video below is long and has too much detail IMO. But he does explain the mechanisms of why he believes fat intake contributes to dementia.
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