Smart trainers and software

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[Joeblake]

https://newatlas.com/around-the-home/ga ... t-trainer/

[jasonc]

after 3 and half years on the tacx neo 2T i've joined the wahoo kickr bike brigade with a wahoo kickr shift bike
need to sell my neo 2T if anyone knows looking for one in Brisbane

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[Mr Purple]

Have run up against the worst of Fulgaz in returning to some actual indoor training this week.

For those that don't know it the rides are filmed on a bicycle and your effort will get you either goin faster or slower than the original speed. Though you can't go more than twice as fast as the original ride.

Yesterday I went pretty all out on two segments to do them at double the original speed. Absolutely obliterated in the standings because another ride on the same course by a faster rider let everyone else go faster.

Today my first ride was pretty flattish and I was easily faster than the original rider on the flat and downhill segments. Anything over 4% though and he absolutely destroyed me. As in I was pushing 500W+ up a 16% segment and doing 60% of his speed.

After much wondering I finally caught a glimpse of his shadow in the filmed screen. And he was on a fatbike with half an electronics shop on the handlebars. Mate, if you're going to film a ride on an overpowered e-bike at least turn the assistance down slightly, or let us know in the ride description.

The second ride today I did 250W for a 13 minute segment to come 506th overall. Turns out it was shared with an old Rouvy ride and the KOM is held at 650W. Ok matey.

[jasonc]

after 3 and half years on the tacx neo 2T i've joined the wahoo kickr bike brigade with a wahoo kickr shift bike
need to sell my neo 2T if anyone knows looking for one in Brisbane

It sold in a week on gumtree

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[g-boaf]

At the risk of being shouted for being off topic in my own thread.

Wahoo announces Kickr Run:

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/01/wah ... ughts.html

Likely USD$5000.

[jasonc]

At the risk of being shouted for being off topic in my own thread.

Wahoo announces Kickr Run:

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/01/wah ... ughts.html

Likely USD$5000.

[Mr Purple]

Run? As in with feet, on the ground? What is this!?

$5k seems a bit steep!

[g-boaf]

Run? As in with feet, on the ground? What is this!?

$5k seems a bit steep!

Yeah my thoughts on running too, I always hated it. Some of my friends are awesome runners - very very fast, no idea how they do it.

$5K in line with kickr bike prices.

[Mr Purple]

I was quite a fast runner in my early 20s. Won a few charity events and all sorts of things.

It just hurts too much now!

[Retrobyte]

I ran for many years to keep fit for other sports and to rehab a torn ACL but was never really built for running. It's very hard on knees and ankles if you're not a whippet.

[warthog1]

I could run in my younger years too.
L5/S1 micro discectomy sorted that. Gives me sciatica so I don't.
Probably good for bone density but joints not so much I expect.

[jasonc]

I tore my meniscus last year running. It went pop. I'm about 3 months post surgery now and am starting to run again. It's great cross training for cycling. Just want to build up to 5kms once a week

[jasonc]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wahoo- ... zwift-one/

For the first time, customers located in Australia and Canada will also have access to Zwift virtual shifting. The Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One will be available in late March via wahoofitness.com.

[Mr Purple]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wahoo- ... zwift-one/

For the first time, customers located in Australia and Canada will also have access to Zwift virtual shifting. The Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One will be available in late March via wahoofitness.com.

That article gave me a headache, I had to read it about four times to work out what was actually going on.

From what I understand you'll now be able to have a 'Zwift cog and click' on a Wahoo Kickr, which is a single ring 'cassette' and a bluetooth controller to change gears with it. But you'll only ever be able to use it on Zwift, and you can't buy a normal Kickr and upgrade to this later.

Seems unnecessarily restrictive, to be honest. The idea is solid, but the use case scenario extremely narrow and for no particular reason that I can see.

[warthog1]

^^ you are smarter than I so I won't bother reading it then

[g-boaf]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wahoo- ... zwift-one/

For the first time, customers located in Australia and Canada will also have access to Zwift virtual shifting. The Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One will be available in late March via wahoofitness.com.

That article gave me a headache, I had to read it about four times to work out what was actually going on.

From what I understand you'll now be able to have a 'Zwift cog and click' on a Wahoo Kickr, which is a single ring 'cassette' and a bluetooth controller to change gears with it. But you'll only ever be able to use it on Zwift, and you can't buy a normal Kickr and upgrade to this later.

Seems unnecessarily restrictive, to be honest. The idea is solid, but the use case scenario extremely narrow and for no particular reason that I can see.

This is a a really nice solution because it takes away some of the nonsense of setting up real bikes to work on trainers, sometimes they never work quite smoothly.

When you jump over to a Kickr Bike you side step all of that completely and have a very silent and smooth running trainer bike with no messy chains or gears and you can configure any gearing system or combination you want.

The Zwift One isn't quite that good, but it's a good half way measure for those who use only Zwift. Naturally Zwift wants to keep everyone in their world.

[Mr Purple]

Yeah, I agree. And it gets rid of the requirement to have functional derailleurs on your trainer bike which has a big appeal to me as someone who's regularly snapping shifter cables.

However why is is not available as an aftermarket option for existing Wahoo Kickr owners? Surely it's not that hard to design a product that bolts onto the trainer just as the cassette does? And why is it only limited to Zwift?

It's not the product I have an issue with, it's the fact they seem to have deliberately limited its application.

[jasonc]

Yeah, I agree. And it gets rid of the requirement to have functional derailleurs on your trainer bike which has a big appeal to me as someone who's regularly snapping shifter cables.

However why is is not available as an aftermarket option for existing Wahoo Kickr owners? Surely it's not that hard to design a product that bolts onto the trainer just as the cassette does? And why is it only limited to Zwift?

It's not the product I have an issue with, it's the fact they seem to have deliberately limited its application.

zwift won't even give me a wahoo gear indicator on screen for my kickr bike....

[warthog1]

Virtual shifting on the kickr core may be of interest to some.


Must do the firmware update on mine.

[g-boaf]

Up to level 99 in Zwift, the step from 99-100 takes much longer.

Save some of the big routes for that - like London PRL Full

[g-boaf]

Level 100 is done - thanks to a 10,000XP+ ride.

Once done you get a level 100 kit, a big XP bonus and I believe 100,000 drops (wasn’t watching those).

From there you cannot get any more levels even though the indicator on the pause screen suggests (xxxx until next reward)

[Mr Purple]

Bit suspicious my Kickr Core is on the way out.

It's getting awfully noisy, and there was a smoky smell after a virtual KOM today. Not surprising really, it's up around 20,000km now.

Might explain the power decrease recently as well, which seems to be limited to indoor only. I was blaming the heat but if there's a bit of belt slip it might explain it as well. Will start saving for a smart bike I think!